We demand an explanation

^^ Disagree!! :-/

^^ FullACK!

I am a real newbie to botting. But I worked as a professional-database-administrator and -programmer for years! I am used to handle and to reasearch patterns within billions(!!) of records and Terrabytes of Data!

For a few minutes, calm dawn and lay beside the detail questions, of all the insders stuff ... what kind of profiles you use or not, what kind of botting you use or how for many hours ... Everybody of you know about this 10 times better than all these paranoid kids crying for their pocket-money, and 100 times better than me.

I (AND I ABSOLUTELY KNOW, THAT I AM NOT SPEAKING FOR THE MOST OF YOU) want to bot, because I want to play with my 2 kids and I want to be independent from that terrible service-incompetent companies like mmoga.com or euwowgold. ... and so on with their lame farmers, botting 24/7 without using brain. Everyone, who baught some gold more than once in a lifetime, know, what I am talking about. And of course in the last weeks it is terrilbe for ALL. Terrible for the farmers, the botters, the traders, the gold-buying-customers.

Blizzard has obviosly nothing to do! SO: OPEN TICKETS, KEEP Blizzard-SUPPORTERS BUSY!!! ;-) *knowing none will do it* ;-))


It is as EVERYTHERE IN REAL LIFE. Earning money without doing almost anything won't work in a long run. It can be ok, for a some days, or if you are entering the ship right place, right time. But, you can spin it as you want: At least you have to activate your brain. And of course there is a risk. But hey, as in real-life. Ban waves come, bane waves go!! I could tell you something about X-Box-360-bans ... Be sure, in one, two, three weeks or even months we all lough about it. And we tell our buddys: "Hey, do you remember spring 2013 ... the big ban wave?" But I know, for those of you who a are concentrating on only one thing, it is hard.
But hey, that is business. If you are selling things on a christmas-market you have to consider, what are you doing in the summer. Going to Mallorca or Ibizza or ... And so, if WoW-Botting sucks right now ... don't know, go on hacking Wiis, set up X-Boxes-360, setup Nintendo-[3]DSi with flash-cards, or do whatever you want. A business-men, who is not thinking about: "Hey, what if some shit happens" is a fool.
In Germany as a captial-Company like GmbH, Ltd., AG (Inc.) the chairman(s) risks their/his complete own private capital (including house, car, ...) if he did not write down a so called "Risk-Management-Plan"!!
He can even (_theoreticaly_) get into prison, if he missed this excercise!!! But well, we are getting off-topic ... ;-)


Here I want and I am capable to tell you something about the legal and more "meta-physics" aspects,

1.) Of course Blizzard is _able_ to detect the process of honorbody or anything else - it dosn't matter, if you rename the .exe-file or not. Believe me, they _could_ detect, AND ....
2.) You agree to the ToS (Term of Service) ... BUT in Europe, esp. in Germany these (AGB) are legaly void/ineffective.
3.) ... BUT ...: If Blizzard violate against the highest court-decison of not to be allowed to scan your computers RAM outside the memory of WoW+AddOns, they will be hardly punished!! So hard, that they have to pay 250.000 EUR for EACH SINGLE violation, otherwise their chairmans (in Germany and also in UK I guess) can get arrested by german "court's marshalls" for 3 to 6 months.
And believe me honestly, they not only won't give bossland that chance!! Bliizard responsible chairmens are not stupid nor crazy. They do not want to be in prison, even for one night. And be sure, they will come into arrest, if the court's marshall is showing them executable-court's-payment-demand with an amount of multiple times of 250.000 EUR!! The won't risk it!! ;-) They are not so stupid as "Uli Hoene?", the german FC-Bayern-Soccer-Team-Manager!!!
4.) I think, or let say "I guess", that bosslands experts of course will examine, and research time by time, if Blizzard will follow or violate the court's sentence ...

In a summary: Blizzard won't detect any Bots by just scanning RAM - fact!!!
In a summery: They can scan every bot, just by changing the routines and the parameters. Every single step can wrote down to a database and can be queried!!

As I mentioned before, I worked as a Database-Administrator for Companies like McDonalds Europe and I can tell you, that we queried even TONS of Data, more data than the most of you can ever imagine!! Every single sold cup of Coca-Cola or every burger in every tiny store all over Europe every day, for the last 10 years (in US the same shit).

Can you imagine how simple it is for an even appropirate skilled Datawarehouse-Specialist to research a PROFILE or a Standard-profiled-BOT. I tell you, for them it took them max. an hour. They go to the coffe-break and the have an idea like: "Hey, what about ... scanning the nodes", Or the marketing-leader in the weekly staff-meeting tell them: "Hey, our licence-sell is going down. Any ideas from the tech-dept.?" And they IT-dept.-team-leader says: "Hmmm ... I'll ask my guys for any ideas about decreasing the number of bots a little bit" ... and then this Twink goes to his programming-slaves. And one of them says: "Hey, our botting-friends are all using Kicks-profiles ..." And the Blizzard-IT-dept.-leading-Twink commands him: "Ok, start to castrate 80 % of them, by fighting against that script."
That will happen? (Or in this what has happened?) The programmer and the Datawarehouse-Specialist loaded down that script and check out carefully, what the script does, what nodes are visited and so on ...
After that, they ask another team to support them and to fill the warehouse with the neccassary informations ... triggers will be written for that, like "if a char is running over node x;y = 12,3456;34,5678 AND over node 12,3467;34;5689 -> write record with account-data into table "bot-canditates" ... and so one.

I tell you, as Apologizer and other buddys here told you: If they want, they can detect a specific PROFILE or BOTTING-TYPE as simple as 1, 2, 3!!
It is not the Bot itself, they detect. It is the profile and a typical behaivor!!

Even for me - I told you, that I am real newbie - it is clear like crystal-water!!
And I hope, that all the lazy, stupid, script-kiddies will be banned perm, so that they can laern a serious job, BEFORE they start earning money, by doing at least nothing.
Well, I have simple speech - because I do not bot for making money; just to save money and don't need buy WoW-gold by this awfull terrible Chinese-Gold-traders.

just my 2 cents

 

Finaly some1 with a brain, same thing was when Glinder was detected, now we all just laugh at it ... maybe it will be similar to that in few weeks/months

 

Those are freaking big 2 cents, but really good, special cents, haha.

 

Hey guys,

an explanation from the devs team would be nice IF they know whats going on at the moment.
I using this bot on multiple accounts since more then a year? and i often received bans.
The bans i received were all understandable and - after the ban - foreseeable.

I got once a ban on ALL accounts just by using the same RealName - long loved main accounts - poof - ProfessionBuddy + GatherBuddy - private profile
I got bans on farming accounts over and over again - most of them after 1-2 month of 24/7 farming (maybe reported but they got killed all at once so the were banned in that mini ban waves / cleanup bans) - GatherBuddy - private profile
I got bans on farming accounts that only bot some hours a day with zone switching and some other random stuff (maybe reported but they got killed all at once so the were banned in that mini ban waves / cleanup bans also!) - GatherBuddy - private profile
I never got bans on my crafting accounts - never - ProfessionBuddy - private profile
I rarely received bans on my auctioning accounts (after reports) - ProfessionBuddy - private profile

The first time i received "my" big ban was when i lost 6 farmers + 3 ah + 3 crafte accounts and i thought i would never bot again
The following bans i received were only farmer bans - it hurts a little bit but its ok - foreseeable.
MY last mini ban wave / clean up ban was in april - i lost 8 farming accounts and i bought new ones and leveled them up again and lost them again after they started farming (2-3, because other toons were not 90 and didnt farm) then a new toon hit 90 and started farming and got banned after 3 days again.

I made cash by using this bot.

I think what ALL PEOPLE want to say is that something has changed and Blizzard has some new methods to tell the system if a player uses a (Gather)bot or not.
I think that only GatherBuddy profiles / the bot is affected - because i use it and i received vbans everytime atm - i dont know about AB BG - just ProfessionBuddy and GatherBuddy

I think most of all people here OF COURSE know that it is better to: bot smart - dont bot 24/7 - have friends - do raids - chat - blabla
I think most of all people OF COURSE know that they CAN receive a ban when they use a bot and that it is just matter of time.

I think what ALL PEOPLE want to know is:

Is our loved HonorBuddy DEVELOPER Team able to tell us what is going on?
Is our mighty HonorBuddy DEVELOPER Team able to do something against this new situation?
Is (gather)botting over - for ever?
Will botting be ever "safe" again like it was 1 month ago?
What botbases are affected?
What can we do to continue botting (is gatherfarming for only 2 hours a day the new way of "safe" botting)?

Greetings

PS
Sorry - i know that this is a ban section forum but please do not close this thread - the people got questions and they want an answer ofc.
Ban section forums is the right place because this thread is about (maybe) new ban methods.

 

All I gotta say is, I would not be surprised if Blizzard detected HB without the devs knowing about it. People can hack into the white house these days, IT has no limits.

 

For those saying u cant make gold from 2 hours botting and not quadriple profites from mats u farmed are crazy, I made way way way way way more gold using jc alch chant blacksmith with proff buddy & tsm. U guys know me and my profiles. I dont screw around or lie. If u start EARLY in expansion getting the jc tokens and all the cuts, u can in fact monopolise the market. What u must relise that just because the raw mats may be selling for more than crafted stuff dosnt mean less gold, it means more cause u have monopolised the market and extended your gold from just raw mats into craftable stuff.
This is what i did to make 4.2 mill with 1 acc on 1 server using 4 toons PB and TSM during cata
Its called the shuffle ( profiles for this found in PB forums)
Have every cut
set PB to make 3 of every cut
Use leftovers from ore prospecting to craft rings
disenchant rings
sell enchanting mats or to quadriple profits again have enchanter and craft chants
Put all the cuts and all the chants on AH
Use a PB AH profile to check and undercut every few hours or so
Use TSM to detect what needs crafting
=BIG BIG BIG gold but needs heavy outlay if u are buying your ore
Im not joking, I made 4.2mill in cata doing this

Downsides
More time at pc
Lots of undercuting
Pre planning befor expansions or BIG patches ( jc patterns, enchanting rep ect ect)
Dosnt work well on low pop servers
Upsides
very little bans ( yes some ppl have been banned for AH botting but its rare if u are smart)
Much more gold can be made. And any of u who say it isnt, pls explain how millions of ppl doing the shuffle are able to make good profits from the mats we sell them
U can do this on high pop servers ( actually works better on high pop )where gold can be much more in need via private customers but also the gold sites offer more gold for certain servers.

Hope this helps some of u who may want to try to get back into botting for next xpac ( big patch)

 

HonorBuddy is not detected.

Detected means:
Start WoW - Login - Start HonorBuddy - Disconect - Banned

Like "MapHack" for Diablo 2 - it was used long long time, then the famous MapHack was detected and my tiny shiny account / Serial was banned because i didnt heard about the detection

 

Just because hacks have been dealt with that way before (detection = instant wipeout), doesn't mean it is/would be dealt with the same way now. Especially with a centralized bot like HB, that has an auth server to kill all bots if there's even a hint of a wipeout. They might get first 1-10% of bots like that, sure. But what then? HB gets patched and they'd have to figure out what has been done again. Might as well find out who's botting and then chip away bit by bit, ensuring continued profit.

First it was BGbuddy, now GB2... Even questing bots get banned mid-leveling. So yeah, probably the amount of bot accounts reached the threshold or something, and now they're cleaning out.

 

Ofc i meant the classic way of "DETECTED!!!!!!1111"

You are right - maybe they would not instant ban all HB users when HB would be detected but thats on another story.

In my opinion the things blizzard changed are:

1. they just updated their routines with data of all used gatherprofiles and now they ban all ppl who use the same profile. That would mean using a new Gatherprofile will be enough.
or
2. They now have a routine that check if player is using the same coordinates / nodes over and over again (like Thomas71 said) and is plays no role if you make a new Gatherprofile or just use the existing one.
If this is the case i ask myself why only Gatherbuddy would be affected and e.g. not all AH bots that use the same route for months/years?
or
3. The just ban all people who farm to much nodes per hour - like they did 2 months before (cant remember, but i got autobanned by a routine)

 

well than what's the point of your post? The issue is trying to make gold with this bot and that's it's now impossible. No one is complaining that you can't run archology or questing for many hours a day. It's the gatherbuddy that's the issue. We finally completely ran out of way to use it... private profiles, monitoring, doing raids, chatting and whispering, logging out often, anything... doesn't matter still get banned if you use it for more than an hour or two per day TOTAL. and using it for a couple hours per day is useless, might as well just buy gold instead of paying $15 per month

 

I think you dont know Blizzard changed his TOS and added that condition
"I accept and agree the anti-cheat program of World of Warcraft and agree that Blizzard can install and use an anticheat software on my computer in this case"

 

The quote from Thomas71 in the above post is absolutely correct, especially the last part, just hold on for a second and think, if they want they can ban every single one of us, but in reality they also need us that's why they can't kill us all. They need us to keep the economy alive in the big realms, no bots = not enough mats in ah = price on everything in ah goes sky high and it wont be enough for everyone which in fact may stimulate buying gold but since there are no botters there will be not enough gold on the market, that will cause the gold price to go high, a lot of people will make a lot of money for a short period of time but what then? No botters, only a handful of people that make gold by hand are selling, it will be mega expensive and tehy will lose a lot of subscribers just because the players can't buy whatever they need from the AH and they have to farm for it, which will take them a lot more time and many people don't have that time they will simply quit. Think about it from their perspective, also I wouldn't be surprised if blizzard are actually the ones who are the shadowed-owners of the whole gold selling/buying market, it's just too much money to be left behind. One way or another they need us, they may ban us now and then, clean a bit etc, but in the end they will never ban us all they can't afford it.

 

I think Blizzard implemented some kind of pathing scanning. I had 4/4 banned right after 5.2 (they were banned within hours of turning them on the third day it was out, and within a few minutes of each other). I have since had 27 accounts banned all before they even hit 60. They are watching for quest botters and hitting the gatherbotters hardest because a bot follows the programmed path and quest routine and doesn't deviate. They probably have a tool to import the paths into their own detection system from the gatherbuddy forums. I have two friends using another bot that have been leaving it running with custom built gather paths for as much as 18 hours a day 4-5 days a week and neither of them have been banned. However, everything I have used honorbuddy for lately has gotten the account banned.

 

If you think running GB2 for hours on end will keep you safe, get off your high-horse right now.

Time and time again we state that Honorbuddy is not detected.
When Hawker activated tripwire, it was for your own good. Something was happening that was out of the ordinary and we needed to see what it was.

As you know botting can be profitable in large numbers. I'm absolutely sure Blizzard is aware of this fact as well.
If you got banned.. well that sucks. There isn't much we can do other than to tell you to change your patterns.

Think of it this way.
You lost $10,000 at a poker table. Do you think complaining to the casino director/manager will get you your money back?
You took the chance and bet all of your money on one hand and things didn't work to your favor.
You then have 2 choices. Jump back on the table or walk away.

To think that blizzard has no type of detection system in place is foolish.
While we know our software is undetected, a multitude of variables come into play as to why your account was banned.

 

Yea, the only diffrence is that before we actually had a chance to win. Now the bot is not detectable, but lost 3/4 of its functionality.