Got banned on 2 different accounts (Verified blizzard know if you bot)

1)Were you using Honorbuddy, Gatherbuddy or both on the account? Only Gatherbuddy

2)Which version (and Beta or Release)?: Lateast (always been up to date 100%)

3)If so, when was the last time?: Like yesterday i downloaded last update.

4)What profile were you using?: Private profile

5)What combat class were you using? if None Just put Default then the Classname: Default Monk

6)What plugins are you using?: Item deleter, Whisperlog, and the one for nearby players.

7)How many hours per day did you bot for?: I botted for 3-4 hours with random time, and 2-4 hours break inbetween each session.

8)What honest percentage of time did you supervise your bot? 75%, i have more than one screen and i look over to see my bot going all the time, i always keep an eye on it.

9)How many auctions per day did you have?: Non.

10)Did you Use Any Other Bots, Hacks, or Mods? No.

11)Was your account involved in gold selling? Never.

12)EU or US realm? EU

13)Is the banned account a Scroll of Resurrection or an actual paid account? Paid account, always have been.

So first of i got banned on my number one farming account. I had it running for arround 1 day with bot, i did not bot much each day. Maybe 4 hours per day and nothing more, It got banned. I took the risk, i accepted the ban and moved on. Next day i put up my 2nd farming account. Within 1 day it was also banned, I was really surprised how i got banned so fast cause both accounts i was using doesn't look like a plane farming account at all (They actually look like some one's main account cause of gear + Achievement.) I know that i did not get reported by any players, that is for a fact. I always been very cautious about that area, and i have never in my 3 years of botting had a single ban on my account. I thought it had to come one day and i just looked over it. but when my 2nd account got banned within a day aswell, i didnt believe that this was just random bad luck for me. I decided to appeal for a unban to blizzard, i got to talk to a guy from blizzard through a ticket. We spend hours talking, i acted dumb to him, and tried to convince that i did not even know what a bot is, i even claimed that it might have been my addon (Gathere) which he assured me it could not be cause those are not illegal. After a long chat and him looking through everything for a while. He started asking me questions directly about honorbuddy. I have renamed my .exe and done it really safe. I ofcourse kept denying that i dont even know what such a thing as honorbuddy is. I kept claiming that it must have been an addon or something that must have caused you to ban me, cause i don't do cheating in the game. I sat long there and talked to a GM, through the conversation he asked me more than 5 times about honorbuddy on my account. He said to me that from he could see, i had used HB. Blizzard definently detects farmers who use HB / GB, from 4 hours botting on my account i got a permanently ban. The account i used to botting was a "newb account" ( As in i have never used a bot or anything on it before since i got it from my friend, who never in his life has used bot, or had any warnings ) Blizzard knows if you are using honorbuddy, and they're slamming you really fast and hard with bans, not even warnings. Permanent ban on 2 accounts within 20 hours, from ***** IP's. I will for now not use any HB / GB again for a long time, until it becomes undetectable, since i take the risk of getting caught and reported by many players (i do not care about that), but the risk has now become too high, they are detecting honorbuddy and they instant permaban for it.

 

You are stupid if you start botting the next day after getting banned. They watch your account and IP.

Blizzard does not know if you are botting unless you are stupid, plain and simple. If that was true then all honorbuddy people would be banned. Honorbuddy doesnt go out of its way to hide. Honorbuddy will more than likely never be undetectable, and neither will 99.999% of other bots. Its your mistake, dont try and blame other people.

Also you dont know if anyone reported you, i know many people that will report if you are in the same area more than an hour. So its likely that you got reported, they then look at your account.

 

I'm tired of reading the same lines over and over, you people are like drones.

 

Yes, because if they could auto detect like so many people who have no knowledge of how WoW works continues to say, then they would automatically ban everyone. Why if they continue to sue people, would they let these people continue to make money. One wipe of everyone and no one would ever want to do business with that bot again. They continue this for a month straight and the bot is destroyed forever. But no, they only ban people who continue to do shady things. Running into a wall for 3 hours, looks bottish. Continuously fighting broken monsters looks bottish, farming the same shit for hours looks bottish. People report people for just being in the same area, it doesnt have to look like it to you. After you are reported the account is looked at. They monitor your account, see you have a bot running. They then ban you. Honorbuddy was being sued, not sure how that went yet, but blizzard could save millions by just banning everyone like I said, but they dont and they didnt.

 

All I can say is common sense isn't so common. OP has just joined today and this is his only post. That should tell you everything.

 

So I am banned too. Why? Because I was using bot? What I was doing? I was farming gold? How they catch me? There is no real farmers like before few years to farm 12 hours day same thing.
I mean what are we talking about? If they take a look on you what they gona see? Mount/dismount/Harvested Herb/ Mount/Dismount/Harvested Ghost Iron ore and that for few weeks and months. But no, we was colecting and earning money for that Helm and New mount. Then Bruce Lee come and take all our gold from our guild bank and we must make gold again.

@suprinz I am sorry for your lost

 

Yeah they can see what process you are running and what IDs are attached to wow. Just like OP said I got a similar conversation with a gm in live chat about 3rd party programs and they could see it. The reason not everyone is banned is because there is a huge population of botters and if blizzard banned them all their next quarter report would probably show a drop in 1-2million+ subscribers. Then people would be like DA FUQ WHAT HAPPENED? Doesn't look good for investors so blizzard bans new accounts and gives older accounts some time then bans them next.

 

I think your numbers may be off a bit, but it's still a number which puts it into prospective as to how many people bot.

 

So they will watch my IP ??? they will see over my other acc? HOW? i have 2 different names on the accounts. I have two different IPs going through p r o x y, Ofcourse they will not ban the entire population of the game. There's too many people who bot, they just hit those who farm materials and flood the AH. Blizzard can see that you're running HB procces in your wow, and if they come accross something suspicious (as in my case where i farmed 4 hours in different zones, with different scripts) Yes, i do mount > Herb > mount > herb > mount > herb, that's also a pattern they ofcourse can see there is no way, a human would do if he played. In the end of the day, i do not care. Read the post or don't, i know what i know, i do not care if you think it's true or not.

 

im sure my numbers are off, could be more could be less but still mass banning everyone would be bad for all the investors that are part of wow stocks

 

No.
That's not always the case.
Latest account of mine that got "suspended" has been botting for 12 hours a day for a week now. starting the same hour it became available for access.Obviously not 12 hours in a row.

It depends on the GM handling your case, and the type of offence (goldselling gains more attention than botting BG's for example) and how you actually run your bot(s).
Like, if you use a "popular" profile, get suspended, use the same profile after gaining access, you will most likely get suspended again.
I also "believe" that the threshold for getting investigated is Lowered after getting suspended.
The more popular the profile,the more people use it, the higher the risk of getting reported/noticed by a GM.

I'm wondering though, did the GM mention HB explicitly , or just said you were using a "bot" ?

note: i haven't mentioned anything in regards of "server-side" detection/data mining, because honestly it's all speculation.

 

You can keep believing this if it makes you sleep better at night. Truth is if Blizzard could ban all of us they would in a heartbeat. If they were worried about $$ they wouldn't be trying to sue every company and shutting them down like they did with Glider and the most recent one (SB).

 

i agree with this. I have been botting for about 5 years now. I was around for both Glider mass ban waves. Blizz does not care about subscription numbers they will ban all bots because most botters will just buy new accounts.

 

Well, after we all agreed to the Blizzard new ToS regarding their eligibility to scan our RAM even outside WoW, it is absolutely unquestionable they are able to detect HB process attached to WoW. I think that the only option right now is to search a bot which works on absolutely different principle - i.e. no memory injection. Something like visual bot scanning screen and imitating buttons pressing. Something that mimics the human behaviour without rough and vulgar memory injections.

 

That was shadowbot, it just loss a case with blizzard and has to pay millions of dollars in restitution.

 

If nothing is detected, how are pure tyrael raidbot users getting banned?

 

No one said they couldnt detect HB, they are just not going out of their way to do it. Once you are either reported or found doing shady stuff they investigate. I havent used tyrael so I dont know how good or bad it is. But idiots are always sitting on Nazgrim during defensive stance, if that is happening that could be a reason why they are reported. When you go into raids are dealing with the most stubborn players around then of course you are going to get reported and then reviewed.

 

P r o x y?
Thanks! Do you have idea how attractive to blizzard such IP address could be? They, as lots of other huge internet companies have database with the popular anonimous IP like P r o x i e s and V P N s.
And using such for suspicious activities like 4 hours gathering without single break would lead a server side scripts to flag you or even autoban your account.

 

Since a lot of people don't seem to get it, i'll try to explain :

It's one of two things :
1- Blizzard is already able to "detect" hb using software detection (warden), and instead of banning everyone at once they do it in increments. how they decide who gets banned? no one knows.
How else would you explain those who are still running and have been doing so for months? (my own longest period of botting since february was 2 months before getting hit)

2- Blizzard can't detect HB (as a whole) and instead of focusing all of their staff @ HB, they decided to track "Bot Behaviors" which applies to all bots no matter what they're using (more likely)
Examples of these
a character with nothing in it's log but (gather-dismount-gather-dismount) and extended online time.
A character interacts with an npc 2000 times within an hour (bugged questing profiles and plugins can cause that)
A character harvests nodes over and over before looting OR without looting.
A character sends Lua code excessively (occurs often in a multitude of actions). An "Addon" would get stopped for giving too many error By wow. A bot doesn't know when to stop unless you tell it.

These are just examples based on speculation. you'll have to keep in mind that whatever automated system they use (if any, which i believe is there.) would have to eliminate false-positives as much as possible. So things that occurs due to lag(connection or fps) would most likely not be included in the "list" of things to look for.

There are so many bots for WoW, a lot of them are public, some are free and some have too small of a user base to actively look after.
Which is why, it makes sense (for me at least) that they would try to "Unify" their detection methods, instead of going after exact bots.

At the very least, the GM's take tickets more seriously And/or found a way to make the process go faster (a certain filter to check for Exact things) thus, reducing the time it takes for bots to get taken down.
For example, Two of my bots got stuck trying to repair in Two Moons Shrine while moving back and forth between 2 points that were 10 yards a part. That happened once for each account with a day in between.
One that is on a "High pop" realm, got hammered on the 3rd day.
The one on the Med pop, and the bug happened late at night(no one was around to report), is still safe and botting.

So far from what i've seen/experienced i'm leaning towards option number Two.

 

My conclusion why some people are getting banned: a), Some people bot almost 24/7, they don't make their own profiles (run exact same patterns as other players who bot - they might be douches and report you, ever thought of that? b), It's alot easier for players to report you for botting now than it was before. All they have to do now is to rightclick on your name and report you. Before they had to make a gm ticket which took hours (Not many people were that stubborn).


a + b = true;