TuanHA Combat Routine News, Update, Question and Answer...

omxz · Oct 28, 2014

djFusion said: ↑

OK, I see Several People Who keep posting things like this.. "Its Oct.27 Wheres the rest of them?!" Its getting me all fired up theres people out there like this.

LET ME TRY TO CLARIFY WHAT THE GOAL WAS FOR OCT.27 (From what Common Sence as Well as My Interpritation Seems to Be)

Quote From TuanHA :

In conclusion, there are roughly 4 priorities for Combat Routine development:
1. Pre-Patch Oct 14 - Oct 27: Make ALL Combat Routines work on Warlords of Draenor
2. Before WoD Release Oct 27 - Nov 13: Optimize Combat Routines to make sure it work as well or better than the MoP version
3. After WoD Release Nov 13 - Dec 13: Optimize Combat Routines for PvE
4. Few months after WoD Release Dec 13 - On ...: Optimize Combat Routines for PvP and PvE. Focus more on PvE on new raid content release, on PvP when the arena/rated battleground on high season.

Thank your all for your support on my work.

TuanHA

Now, Here is The Clarification of what i think we can Expect here with all the Build CHanges, HB Updates, Spell Changes, Stat Squish, And how Nobody Was 100% on How to Min-Max there Rotations for PVP and PVE For about a week.

1. Pre-Patch Oct 14 - Oct 27:Make ALL Combat Routines work on Warlords of Draenor
- Because of all the Changes and how Long the Prior PVP season Was the Combat Rutines For each class were pretty much Optomized to be best at the Current Top Spec for each Class. For Example, Frost DK wasnt that good in PVP Last season But UHDK was awesome. Because of this, UHDK's Rutine and Code was Gone over SOOOO Many times, Improved, Changed, Made Better and Better throughout the Entire Year Leaving it where it stood Before the Last Few Days of the Season, And let me tell you, If you Dont have a DK, The UHDK Rutine Was so Good.. OK So with this in mind, And Understanding that this is How it was For Every Class Not Just DK (as far as working on One spec instead of all).
- Keeping in mind everything i just said above and also Considering theres people out there, including myself, when the patch hit, i had no idea what i was soposed to do in my Rotation or anything for about a week. If you were TuanHA, What Rutine would you Pick to Release First? The One with 1000 Man Hours Put into it or the One with 10 Hours Put into it with no complex logic because last season there was no need to make a Prot War Spec for PVP.. Obviously Your going to Publish ant Fix your most advanced Rutines For the End Users Like us, As well as for new People Considering Buying the Products for WoD. You want to be Impressive and thats What his WoD Rutines are right now. This early in the patch. Not even WoD Yet and there this good.. They will be Godly Within a Month ot Two after WoD Drops.
- NOW, The Statement of All Rutines Will be Availible By OCT.27, This is where people are getting Upset or something.. What is Realistic And Reasonable, Not to mention how i interprited it to begin with was, [Every Class Will Have A Working Combat Rutine By Oct.27] Not, Every Spec And Class will have a working Rutine By then. And with the Release of the Rogue Rutine Last night or Today, He Made that Deadline Within 24Hrs Of his Quesstimate.

2. Before WoD Release Oct 27 - Nov 13: Optimize Combat Routines to make sure it work as well or better than the MoP version
- This is where i think we Will start seeing Alot of revisions for the Top Specs of Each Class As it stands right now. The More People Test, the more bugs are found, the more Changes TuanHA can make, The better the Overall Rutine Becomes. There is no way to have a perfect and bad ass rutine within a week or so of the patch drop, Because Blizz will keep droping Hotfix's changing the stats and rotations Significantly and Changing how Each PVP Fight Per Class is Handled and Midigated.
- Because of the Above Bullet's Information, This is where i think TuanHA Will have the most Optimal Time to get the Other Specs for each Class together and working. [Example: He Pushes a really nice Arms Rutine for War, People Love it and use it for the next few days, As people are looking or testing for Bugs], This is when he will start pushing the other specs for each Class. That way, when there is something to fix in the Arms Rutine, He can push the Off spec he was working on so people can play that while he fixes the other.. Rinse Wash Repeat, Untill everything is Pushed out there and working At an "Acceptible" Expectation.
- Once Everyone is Set on the "Best " Spec for PVP and PVE, TuanHA Will go to Work HArd.. Pushing Revisions after Revisions making us better and better. This is where, Like last season and the example i gave before, This stage Last season is what made the Unholy Death Knight Rutine Have the most work out of the DK specs. Because people used it the most and it was the most Viable. This will go on for a bit Untill Everyone falls into a groove in there playstyle And TuanHA Falls Into His Groove of Improving and revising Everything He works so hard on.

3. After WoD Release Nov 13 - Dec 13: Optimize Combat Routines for PvE
- The Reason The Combat Rutines Will be Optimized for PVE/Raiding Before they are Optimized for PVP Fully is because in the Raiding Word (PVE WORLD) The Pace at which a guild Or raid Team can clear content downing bosses is What there entire Goal Is. People Pushing for World Firsts, Achievments, Progression, ETC. PVP is significantly Diffrent and Designed To be important at diffrent times from PVE for a reason..
- PVP On the Otherhand Isnt quite as Unforgiving in the beginning of a season... When the season starts PVP isnt really that important to get ratingand all that, as you have to keep, maintain and continue to hold that rating for the entire PVP season Ultimatly till the season ends and you get your glad title Again. Making PVP's Peak Performance Time Several Weeks If not a Month or Two/Three Into The Season/Expansion. That way, When were in full Swing we will get the perfect PVP rutines To Assist us with that Hard Push to the top.

4. Few months after WoD Release Dec 13 - On ...: Optimize Combat Routines for PvP and PvE. Focus more on PvE on new raid content release, on PvP when the arena/rated battleground on high season.
- BUT BUT I WANT PVP TO BE PRIORITIZED FIRST!! ITS ALL I DO!! Here's Why You Need to Not Worry... First Of All, Raiding is a Huge part of the Game, And Statistically Alot more people Enjoy the PVE side of things than the PVP side of things.. Us here on the HB Forums though, Might be slightly weighted the other way.. But Within the Big Picture, PVP Isnt a priority Right off the bat.. Like i said, Guilds and Groups will be ripping there hair out trying to get that world first, server first, Boss Kill's, Achievements, Etc.. I KNOW I KNOW PVP IS EVERYTHING SO HE SHOULD FOCUS ON IT... No, After the first Month or Two, Maybe Three, the Server Firsts, And the World Firsts Will be gone.. Achievments will be had, And now its time for them to put the Raid on farm mode and gear everyone up.. All the While , US PVP'ers ARE HAVING TO SPEND THE FIRST MONTH OR TWO (8Weeks) TO GEAR UP WITH CONQUEST ANYWAYS!!! By the time The PVE World SLows Down, We, Ironicaly, Will Have Just Finished Gearing Up In our Shiney New PVP Gear.. And as stated Above, This is the exact same time TuanHA Will Be Working His ass off getting the PVP Rutines Better then Anyhting we can Fathom Right now at lvl 100 to boot.
- Ahhhhh, its all starting to make sense now is it?

5. From December On, The Rutines will be Revised as bugs are worked out, Changes when Hotfix's Are Made, And Overall Generally Maintained Making that 90$ For Future and current rutine support worth it

NOTE: Anyways, i hope everyone has a little more clarification or at least a slight better understadning of whats going on and why, Especially you guys who were Wanting PVP to be the top priority No matter what. As of Right now, Considering all the changing variables like WoW API Builds, HB Updates, Hotfix's, Etc, TuanHA is Doing A Better JOb, Faster then any other Developer Out there IMO.. Most other people Are realising a single rutine each week, and its not even that great because there hasnt been users reporting the bugs and logs within it untill that week ends and its released.. Giving All Of us who Donated and Support TuanHA's Work an even firther Edge in the Game..

NOTE: Im Not Assosiated With TuanHA's Combat Rutines In Any way other then i Post logs here like everyone else and i Own all the Paid Rutines. So The Information Above is Only My Thought's And Opinions, Not An Official Statement Or Anything Coming From TuanHA Himself Excepr for that Quote.

Reason For Writing This: Maybe With more people getting a better understanding that its not as easy as just conforming and satisfying everyones requests, there is a reason and a priority for how things are going, and they are going very well at the moment. So, If you Current Spec you want to play isnt Supported yet, Try to be patient, Try to learn your class without it for a bit, that way you can customize the Rutine even firthen when it is released because you understand your class is it stands instead of just let everything be automated.. Making you a better player in the long run. Thats All, No Other reason really, Except that post ealier i quoted at the top just set me off lol.. Thanks for the motivation to write all this, it might help some people..
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Now this right here is the problem. "Working for draenor", thats a given. The problem is "by october all classes, not specs, should have a working routine". Why would someone care if the beta version of the routine is released by the 28th?
The thing that should be clarified is that very simple fact the the updates on the 28th are for the beta or the live version. Thats the only thing I wanted to know.
If it's beta then whoopdidoo. If it's live, well, then you shouldnt keep it at october 27th in the first post but change it to keep people from wondering...

Creazy231 · Oct 28, 2014

I have a balanced druid *-* cant wait for a beta release *__*

dANIMO · Oct 28, 2014

mage is only available from by Millz
Buddy Store

kevlyn · Oct 28, 2014

xxxstar123 said: ↑

Hello again tuanha

I would like to ask I paid for all routine and up coming ones as one package u will soon but them on store I wonder I will receive on key to activate them all or one by one?
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I would assume individually since they are sold that way and doing package keys does not work (says Millz).

Garunb · Oct 28, 2014

This graphical interface gave envy TuanHA ... we have that too. illustrated

evolver · Oct 28, 2014

I logged into Tuanhas site, I d'led the Rogue routine and when I start it, it tells me it needs to be updated and leads me here. On the first page it says Rogue updated for WoD, what am I doing wrong.

Medivh · Oct 28, 2014

evolver said: ↑

I logged into Tuanhas site, I d'led the Rogue routine and when I start it, it tells me it needs to be updated and leads me here. On the first page it says Rogue updated for WoD, what am I doing wrong.
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Did you download the Beta Version? Other than that I'm not sure.

TurkeySmacked · Oct 28, 2014

Fist let me apologize for not reading through all 82 pages.

Can anyone tell me if there is a general eta on a Ele routine?

Thanks

Baranowski789 · Oct 28, 2014

djFusion said: ↑

OK, I see Several People Who keep posting things like this.. "Its Oct.27 Wheres the rest of them?!" Its getting me all fired up theres people out there like this.

LET ME TRY TO CLARIFY WHAT THE GOAL WAS FOR OCT.27 (From what Common Sence as Well as My Interpritation Seems to Be)

Quote From TuanHA :

In conclusion, there are roughly 4 priorities for Combat Routine development:
1. Pre-Patch Oct 14 - Oct 27: Make ALL Combat Routines work on Warlords of Draenor
2. Before WoD Release Oct 27 - Nov 13: Optimize Combat Routines to make sure it work as well or better than the MoP version
3. After WoD Release Nov 13 - Dec 13: Optimize Combat Routines for PvE
4. Few months after WoD Release Dec 13 - On ...: Optimize Combat Routines for PvP and PvE. Focus more on PvE on new raid content release, on PvP when the arena/rated battleground on high season.

Thank your all for your support on my work.

TuanHA

Now, Here is The Clarification of what i think we can Expect here with all the Build CHanges, HB Updates, Spell Changes, Stat Squish, And how Nobody Was 100% on How to Min-Max there Rotations for PVP and PVE For about a week.

1. Pre-Patch Oct 14 - Oct 27:Make ALL Combat Routines work on Warlords of Draenor
- Because of all the Changes and how Long the Prior PVP season Was the Combat Rutines For each class were pretty much Optomized to be best at the Current Top Spec for each Class. For Example, Frost DK wasnt that good in PVP Last season But UHDK was awesome. Because of this, UHDK's Rutine and Code was Gone over SOOOO Many times, Improved, Changed, Made Better and Better throughout the Entire Year Leaving it where it stood Before the Last Few Days of the Season, And let me tell you, If you Dont have a DK, The UHDK Rutine Was so Good.. OK So with this in mind, And Understanding that this is How it was For Every Class Not Just DK (as far as working on One spec instead of all).
- Keeping in mind everything i just said above and also Considering theres people out there, including myself, when the patch hit, i had no idea what i was soposed to do in my Rotation or anything for about a week. If you were TuanHA, What Rutine would you Pick to Release First? The One with 1000 Man Hours Put into it or the One with 10 Hours Put into it with no complex logic because last season there was no need to make a Prot War Spec for PVP.. Obviously Your going to Publish ant Fix your most advanced Rutines For the End Users Like us, As well as for new People Considering Buying the Products for WoD. You want to be Impressive and thats What his WoD Rutines are right now. This early in the patch. Not even WoD Yet and there this good.. They will be Godly Within a Month ot Two after WoD Drops.
- NOW, The Statement of All Rutines Will be Availible By OCT.27, This is where people are getting Upset or something.. What is Realistic And Reasonable, Not to mention how i interprited it to begin with was, [Every Class Will Have A Working Combat Rutine By Oct.27] Not, Every Spec And Class will have a working Rutine By then. And with the Release of the Rogue Rutine Last night or Today, He Made that Deadline Within 24Hrs Of his Quesstimate.

2. Before WoD Release Oct 27 - Nov 13: Optimize Combat Routines to make sure it work as well or better than the MoP version
- This is where i think we Will start seeing Alot of revisions for the Top Specs of Each Class As it stands right now. The More People Test, the more bugs are found, the more Changes TuanHA can make, The better the Overall Rutine Becomes. There is no way to have a perfect and bad ass rutine within a week or so of the patch drop, Because Blizz will keep droping Hotfix's changing the stats and rotations Significantly and Changing how Each PVP Fight Per Class is Handled and Midigated.
- Because of the Above Bullet's Information, This is where i think TuanHA Will have the most Optimal Time to get the Other Specs for each Class together and working. [Example: He Pushes a really nice Arms Rutine for War, People Love it and use it for the next few days, As people are looking or testing for Bugs], This is when he will start pushing the other specs for each Class. That way, when there is something to fix in the Arms Rutine, He can push the Off spec he was working on so people can play that while he fixes the other.. Rinse Wash Repeat, Untill everything is Pushed out there and working At an "Acceptible" Expectation.
- Once Everyone is Set on the "Best " Spec for PVP and PVE, TuanHA Will go to Work HArd.. Pushing Revisions after Revisions making us better and better. This is where, Like last season and the example i gave before, This stage Last season is what made the Unholy Death Knight Rutine Have the most work out of the DK specs. Because people used it the most and it was the most Viable. This will go on for a bit Untill Everyone falls into a groove in there playstyle And TuanHA Falls Into His Groove of Improving and revising Everything He works so hard on.

3. After WoD Release Nov 13 - Dec 13: Optimize Combat Routines for PvE
- The Reason The Combat Rutines Will be Optimized for PVE/Raiding Before they are Optimized for PVP Fully is because in the Raiding Word (PVE WORLD) The Pace at which a guild Or raid Team can clear content downing bosses is What there entire Goal Is. People Pushing for World Firsts, Achievments, Progression, ETC. PVP is significantly Diffrent and Designed To be important at diffrent times from PVE for a reason..
- PVP On the Otherhand Isnt quite as Unforgiving in the beginning of a season... When the season starts PVP isnt really that important to get ratingand all that, as you have to keep, maintain and continue to hold that rating for the entire PVP season Ultimatly till the season ends and you get your glad title Again. Making PVP's Peak Performance Time Several Weeks If not a Month or Two/Three Into The Season/Expansion. That way, When were in full Swing we will get the perfect PVP rutines To Assist us with that Hard Push to the top.

4. Few months after WoD Release Dec 13 - On ...: Optimize Combat Routines for PvP and PvE. Focus more on PvE on new raid content release, on PvP when the arena/rated battleground on high season.
- BUT BUT I WANT PVP TO BE PRIORITIZED FIRST!! ITS ALL I DO!! Here's Why You Need to Not Worry... First Of All, Raiding is a Huge part of the Game, And Statistically Alot more people Enjoy the PVE side of things than the PVP side of things.. Us here on the HB Forums though, Might be slightly weighted the other way.. But Within the Big Picture, PVP Isnt a priority Right off the bat.. Like i said, Guilds and Groups will be ripping there hair out trying to get that world first, server first, Boss Kill's, Achievements, Etc.. I KNOW I KNOW PVP IS EVERYTHING SO HE SHOULD FOCUS ON IT... No, After the first Month or Two, Maybe Three, the Server Firsts, And the World Firsts Will be gone.. Achievments will be had, And now its time for them to put the Raid on farm mode and gear everyone up.. All the While , US PVP'ers ARE HAVING TO SPEND THE FIRST MONTH OR TWO (8Weeks) TO GEAR UP WITH CONQUEST ANYWAYS!!! By the time The PVE World SLows Down, We, Ironicaly, Will Have Just Finished Gearing Up In our Shiney New PVP Gear.. And as stated Above, This is the exact same time TuanHA Will Be Working His ass off getting the PVP Rutines Better then Anyhting we can Fathom Right now at lvl 100 to boot.
- Ahhhhh, its all starting to make sense now is it?

5. From December On, The Rutines will be Revised as bugs are worked out, Changes when Hotfix's Are Made, And Overall Generally Maintained Making that 90$ For Future and current rutine support worth it

NOTE: Anyways, i hope everyone has a little more clarification or at least a slight better understadning of whats going on and why, Especially you guys who were Wanting PVP to be the top priority No matter what. As of Right now, Considering all the changing variables like WoW API Builds, HB Updates, Hotfix's, Etc, TuanHA is Doing A Better JOb, Faster then any other Developer Out there IMO.. Most other people Are realising a single rutine each week, and its not even that great because there hasnt been users reporting the bugs and logs within it untill that week ends and its released.. Giving All Of us who Donated and Support TuanHA's Work an even firther Edge in the Game..

NOTE: Im Not Assosiated With TuanHA's Combat Rutines In Any way other then i Post logs here like everyone else and i Own all the Paid Rutines. So The Information Above is Only My Thought's And Opinions, Not An Official Statement Or Anything Coming From TuanHA Himself Excepr for that Quote.

Reason For Writing This: Maybe With more people getting a better understanding that its not as easy as just conforming and satisfying everyones requests, there is a reason and a priority for how things are going, and they are going very well at the moment. So, If you Current Spec you want to play isnt Supported yet, Try to be patient, Try to learn your class without it for a bit, that way you can customize the Rutine even firthen when it is released because you understand your class is it stands instead of just let everything be automated.. Making you a better player in the long run. Thats All, No Other reason really, Except that post ealier i quoted at the top just set me off lol.. Thanks for the motivation to write all this, it might help some people..
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wtf pvp for a few months after the start of the WOD wtf do you rly buy this rutin for pve cant bolive this shit hahah this make me sick i need to think what for i playing this game rly lol
just make pvp rutins and all pve nolivers will be in heaven this will do any way 50 % more dps they can do muaha
i know i know 90 % yours consumers doing pve like 95 % o playes on wow but any way lol

yajinni · Oct 28, 2014

Baranowski789 said: ↑

wtf pvp for a few months after the start of the WOD wtf do you rly buy this rutin for pve cant bolive this shit hahah this make me sick i need to think what for i playing this game rly lol
just make pvp rutins and all pve nolivers will be in heaven this will do any way 50 % more dps they can do muaha
i know i know 90 % yours consumers doing pve like 95 % o playes on wow but any way lol
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I am impressed this is still a mess of a post even with you editing. Fact is these routines have always been created with PvP in mind. Just because they can also work well in PvE doesnt mean thats what he programs them for. Yes a lot of people also use it for PvE but most routines are programmed for that. So its nice to have one focused on PvP.

Now if the only reason you play this game is to bot and put up wierd posts like this, then yea maybe you need to rethink why you play this game...

micron85 · Oct 28, 2014

slyguy said: ↑

Anyone else having problems with healing beta profiles, as in not barely casting etc
Im forced to run singular for everything atm its killing me
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make sure enyo option hard lock is checked

micron85 · Oct 28, 2014

yajinni said: ↑

I am impressed this is still a mess of a post even with you editing. Fact is these routines have always been created with PvP in mind. Just because they can also work well in PvE doesnt mean thats what he programs them for. Yes a lot of people also use it for PvE but most routines are programmed for that. So its nice to have one focused on PvP.

Now if the only reason you play this game is to bot and put up wierd posts like this, then yea maybe you need to rethink why you play this game...
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his main focus has always been pvp but in the last 6months i know he has been trying to tune atleast settings to improve some pve cuz he kicked my butt in healing and in dmg

micron85 · Oct 28, 2014

evolver said: ↑

I logged into Tuanhas site, I d'led the Rogue routine and when I start it, it tells me it needs to be updated and leads me here. On the first page it says Rogue updated for WoD, what am I doing wrong.
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when your on his site go to the rogue routine like if your were a new customer reading the discription and you will see the dropbox link there for beta if he has updated it don't use the download links were you used to download them as i think he hasn't deactivated those because he's going to reuse the website coding

micron85 · Oct 28, 2014

Baranowski789 said: ↑

wtf pvp for a few months after the start of the WOD wtf do you rly buy this rutin for pve cant bolive this shit hahah this make me sick i need to think what for i playing this game rly lol
just make pvp rutins and all pve nolivers will be in heaven this will do any way 50 % more dps they can do muaha
i know i know 90 % yours consumers doing pve like 95 % o playes on wow but any way lol
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his beta setup isn't per say just for pvp or pve its more getting the new rotations setup and gettting it functional pvp vs pve depends on your settings and to the guy you quoted coding these things takes alot of time ive seen screen shots of mirabis's computer while he was working on updating his cr's omg takes alot of work

Medivh · Oct 28, 2014

micron85 said: ↑

his main focus has always been pvp but in the last 6months i know he has been trying to tune atleast settings to improve some pve cuz he kicked my butt in healing and in dmg
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I've actually not once used any of his profiles for PvP, but they work flawlessly for PvE so I don't think he focuses more on one than the other over all just at certain times since during those times it is critical for them to be perfect for that aspect of the game. Aka early months of WoD for PvE, during Mid - Late season for PvP. Makes sense to me since PvP rewards are granted at the end of the season and missing a bit of the beginning doesn't effect you as much as it would for PvE.

nucleotides · Oct 28, 2014

These debates are silly.

Let the man work, I am sure it will meet or exceed your expectation once he gets to all of the specs. There is 25 in total (double that for PvP and PvE) and while some overlap, others are very distinct and take time.

Nothing going on over the next couple of weeks really matters. Just sit back and relax before the inevitable cluster fuck that will be the launch of WoD.

Medivh · Oct 28, 2014

nucleotides said: ↑

These debates are silly.

Let the man work, I am sure it will meet or exceed your expectation once he gets to all of the specs. There is 25 in total (double that for PvP and PvE) and while some overlap, others are very distinct and take time.

Nothing going on over the next couple of weeks really matters. Just sit back and relax before the inevitable cluster fuck that will be the launch of WoD.
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Lol true, I just can't wait to see the new bugs that will inevitably pop up.

evolver · Oct 28, 2014

micron85 said: ↑

when your on his site go to the rogue routine like if your were a new customer reading the discription and you will see the dropbox link there for beta if he has updated it don't use the download links were you used to download them as i think he hasn't deactivated those because he's going to reuse the website coding
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Thx, it works now, I d/led the old rogue routine from my account.

tuanha · Oct 28, 2014

Hi guys,

Build 6.0.5415
Feral Druid is Ready to Serve! (Note only Cat Form work, need to write the whole Tank spec in order to make Bear Form work so I'll save it for later)

The reason is I want to focus on DPS of healing class. For now Druid, Monk, Paladin and Shaman have nothing beside healing spec working. I need to do something for them first because we all can't level by solo healing.

After that, I'll focus on Tank specs.

Thank you for supporting my work and sorry for slow update rate lol (well I think slow but good better than mindlessly coding for retard Combat Routines btw )

Radioactiv · Oct 28, 2014

tuanha said: ↑

Hi guys,

Build 6.0.5415
Feral Druid is Ready to Serve! (Note only Cat Form work, need to write the whole Tank spec in order to make Bear Form work so I'll save it for later)

The reason is I want to focus on DPS of healing class. For now Druid, Monk, Paladin and Shaman have nothing beside healing spec working. I need to do something for them first because we all can't level by solo healing.

After that, I'll focus on Tank specs.

Thank you for supporting my work and sorry for slow update rate lol (well I think slow but good better than mindlessly coding for retard Combat Routines btw )
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The one ive been waiting on, thanks!

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