Honorbuddy Bans Statement

Telesis · May 15, 2015

Same thing happened with D3 when it first launched, the week before they opened the real money auction house they banned thousands of people for botting.

ryftobuddy · May 15, 2015

TreF68 said: ↑

I think they planned the gold for wow time with this ban wave to catch more of us. Its the only reason I resubscribed to wow. Im not willing to pay 15 bucks a month, but load honorbuddy for a couple nights a week and get free wow? hells ya! This is what brought me back, and I got the suspension report 4 days after I resubbed.

It was a trap fellas
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People have the strangest ideas. Blizz has proven that they don't do things to catch botters, botters are good enough at exposing themselves as it is.

I can say with about 100% assurance that the token wasn't implemented to catch botters. It was put in place to make blizzard money.

crane5555 · May 15, 2015

canadianspirit said: ↑

Have you guys read about the banns on their Blizard forums. The people are rude and put down botters. I hate the people on WOW now. They think their shit doesnt stink. They think they are better then us botters. Go read their posts its pretty sickening to read it. My 2 accounts got banned for 6 months. I used toekns for both for up to March of next year. So I will have time when I get back on. Blizaard is pretty controlling about their rules. And the people putting botters down have no life but to just play LOL.
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Yes, I also read on Russian servers ... It pours poison in our direction. And fun to see what the top players sympathize with us. And the players average and below - spit in us)) They feel both envy and delight in our spit.

crane5555 · May 15, 2015

wearloga said: ↑

Dear developers and writers of routines and plugins (and what have you),

I want to thank you all for all your hard work. I know it has been said plenty of times before, but you deserve all the praise.You have managed to create something that made a game with sometimes complex, or at other times downright boring mechanics enjoyable for a lot of people who wouldn't have enjoyed that game in the same way otherwise. I'll never forget just how nice and relaxing it is to start up WoW and HB and just watch the game being played for you, or to not have to pay attention to your rotation and be able to fully focus on positioning in raids. You made aspects of the game available to those who have a normal life (or at least something approaching that), for which you have my deepest gratitude.

Myself, I'm a very casual gamer, I don't need to play games on hard difficulty to enjoy them, I usually play them on the easiest setting just to dominate.
That's what I love about HB, it allows me to play some aspects of the game as though I had put in days of practising and perfecting my combat routine. On my own, I could never heal a LFR group, maybe a HC dungeon if I practised a lot, but I would probably need raid gear for that or run out of mana, but with HB and a solid CR I managed to always be in the top 3 with about 5-10% overhealing done (the lack of overhealing being the reason I wasn't number 1). I might be able to struggle some average DPS in LFR, but not whilst keeping an eye on where not to stand during encounters.
That's what HB did for me, it made me able to heal a group while making sure I wasn't standing in the fire. I do sincerely believe that I contributed to a positive game experience for all of tanks and DPSers in the raid, and probably for most healers too (if they were not too competitive), and I believe fun to be most important in any game.

True, Blizzard is in their rights to ban us. True, we all knew we were breaking their rules. However, without looking at PvP, where the matter lies slightly different, I do not think that any form of botting, as provided by HB, did any harm to the fairness and levelness of the gaming community as a whole. I have made an appeal for one of my accounts which has been denied with the usual mention of "use of 3rd party programs" and that the information cannot be disclosed, "as it is internal information."
What got me wondering, though, is that I got the email (and presumably the ban) more than 24 hours after I logged in to the account while having HB active. I know that I have logged in to the account after that moment (though I didn't log in to a character as I decided I didn't feel like playing after all), but without HB running at the time.

I am mostly disappointed about the ban on my main account. I did use it on my second account for gathering purposes and the like, but on my main only as a combat routine in PvE, and try as I might, I can see no downside to doing that. But more than feeling disappointed, I'm wondering if I will return to the game, and, in this, I'm torn. I love WoW, the world, its characters, its stories, and I was really looking forward to playing my way through the Tanaan Jungle, but I'm not sure if I would be willing to keep playing the game without a bot. For me, that would mean that the max level of content that I could play that would make me feel good would be DPSing and, just maybe, tanking in HC dungeons, or maybe healing or tanking in non HC dungeons. As much as I enjoyed being part of a raid group, albeit LFR, and although I might get my DPS high enough not to get complaints about that, keeping track of the mechanics of such a fight and my combat routine at the same time is just too much for me. This would also mean that I would have to miss out on the epic story quests. As nice as owning a legendary ring is, it pales in comparison to the story behind it. Of course I'll watch it all on YouTube, but that is far from the same as actually being part of the story and play it.

Yes, I'm addicted to WoW. Yes, my first thought was: "I'll just get a new account and start over". But I don't want to start over, not without my old characters. I've played two of them for over 5 years, there is no replacing that. But more than that, I don't want to play through Dreanor again. The idea of a garrison is great, but it felt like grinding having to run through it every day. With all those peons just lifting weights, you would imagine that they could pick everything up for us, but they don't so they make some of us feel forced to use a bot for it.
And as far as "We’re committed to providing an equal and fair playing field for everyone in World of Warcraft" goes, there is no such thing as an equal and fair playing field for everyone. Some of us will have more time to invest into this game then others. Some might just be better at playing it, understanding the deep mechanics of a certain class or spec. To my knowledge and to my experience as a user of HB, it does not make us "the best players in the game". Being an all-round bot, it is not programmed to look ahead. a CR does not think like a person does and often makes decisions that are good, but not optimal. This can be greatly improved by taking away some of what the CR does and taking back that control, but that doesn't change the fact that HB operates within the same spectrum as real players, though well above average (Once again, this might be different for PvP, but I have not done a lot of that). If "equal and fair" means that it does not matter if you are a noob or a top class raider, if you can spend only one hour a day or 16 hours a day, because, as long as you do not use a bot, all is "equal and fair", they might want to have a second look at that.
If botting meant that you would outperform even those top raiders with ease (personally I did not get beyond normal mode raiding, even when botting), *then* I could understand this argument. But, things being as they are, they have to come up with something better than "equal and fair"

As a final note before I conclude this post, which is arguably the longest post I have ever placed on the internet, I would like to say that, reading through the first halve of the comments on this post, I noticed that I have not spent enough time on these forums. The sense of community I find here is heart warming. If I had had more time (or maybe less of a social life outside) I would have loved to get to know as many of you as I could. For now, though, with the six month ban, there is, of course more time, but fewer reasons for me to check up on these forums. I do want you all to know, however, that, although I don't know any of you, you do feel like family. Distant family, maybe, but family non the less.

I wish you all the best of luck with your appeals and I hope most of you will get their ban undone.

All the best,
Wearloga
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You are fully written what is in my heart. The warm sympathy to you from Russia!)

ayekaiser · May 15, 2015

wearloga said: ↑

Dear developers and writers of routines and plugins (and what have you),

I want to thank you all for all your hard work. I know it has been said plenty of times before, but you deserve all the praise.You have managed to create something that made a game with sometimes complex, or at other times downright boring mechanics enjoyable for a lot of people who wouldn't have enjoyed that game in the same way otherwise. I'll never forget just how nice and relaxing it is to start up WoW and HB and just watch the game being played for you, or to not have to pay attention to your rotation and be able to fully focus on positioning in raids. You made aspects of the game available to those who have a normal life (or at least something approaching that), for which you have my deepest gratitude.

Myself, I'm a very casual gamer, I don't need to play games on hard difficulty to enjoy them, I usually play them on the easiest setting just to dominate.
That's what I love about HB, it allows me to play some aspects of the game as though I had put in days of practising and perfecting my combat routine. On my own, I could never heal a LFR group, maybe a HC dungeon if I practised a lot, but I would probably need raid gear for that or run out of mana, but with HB and a solid CR I managed to always be in the top 3 with about 5-10% overhealing done (the lack of overhealing being the reason I wasn't number 1). I might be able to struggle some average DPS in LFR, but not whilst keeping an eye on where not to stand during encounters.
That's what HB did for me, it made me able to heal a group while making sure I wasn't standing in the fire. I do sincerely believe that I contributed to a positive game experience for all of tanks and DPSers in the raid, and probably for most healers too (if they were not too competitive), and I believe fun to be most important in any game.

True, Blizzard is in their rights to ban us. True, we all knew we were breaking their rules. However, without looking at PvP, where the matter lies slightly different, I do not think that any form of botting, as provided by HB, did any harm to the fairness and levelness of the gaming community as a whole. I have made an appeal for one of my accounts which has been denied with the usual mention of "use of 3rd party programs" and that the information cannot be disclosed, "as it is internal information."
What got me wondering, though, is that I got the email (and presumably the ban) more than 24 hours after I logged in to the account while having HB active. I know that I have logged in to the account after that moment (though I didn't log in to a character as I decided I didn't feel like playing after all), but without HB running at the time.

I am mostly disappointed about the ban on my main account. I did use it on my second account for gathering purposes and the like, but on my main only as a combat routine in PvE, and try as I might, I can see no downside to doing that. But more than feeling disappointed, I'm wondering if I will return to the game, and, in this, I'm torn. I love WoW, the world, its characters, its stories, and I was really looking forward to playing my way through the Tanaan Jungle, but I'm not sure if I would be willing to keep playing the game without a bot. For me, that would mean that the max level of content that I could play that would make me feel good would be DPSing and, just maybe, tanking in HC dungeons, or maybe healing or tanking in non HC dungeons. As much as I enjoyed being part of a raid group, albeit LFR, and although I might get my DPS high enough not to get complaints about that, keeping track of the mechanics of such a fight and my combat routine at the same time is just too much for me. This would also mean that I would have to miss out on the epic story quests. As nice as owning a legendary ring is, it pales in comparison to the story behind it. Of course I'll watch it all on YouTube, but that is far from the same as actually being part of the story and play it.

Yes, I'm addicted to WoW. Yes, my first thought was: "I'll just get a new account and start over". But I don't want to start over, not without my old characters. I've played two of them for over 5 years, there is no replacing that. But more than that, I don't want to play through Dreanor again. The idea of a garrison is great, but it felt like grinding having to run through it every day. With all those peons just lifting weights, you would imagine that they could pick everything up for us, but they don't so they make some of us feel forced to use a bot for it.
And as far as "We’re committed to providing an equal and fair playing field for everyone in World of Warcraft" goes, there is no such thing as an equal and fair playing field for everyone. Some of us will have more time to invest into this game then others. Some might just be better at playing it, understanding the deep mechanics of a certain class or spec. To my knowledge and to my experience as a user of HB, it does not make us "the best players in the game". Being an all-round bot, it is not programmed to look ahead. a CR does not think like a person does and often makes decisions that are good, but not optimal. This can be greatly improved by taking away some of what the CR does and taking back that control, but that doesn't change the fact that HB operates within the same spectrum as real players, though well above average (Once again, this might be different for PvP, but I have not done a lot of that). If "equal and fair" means that it does not matter if you are a noob or a top class raider, if you can spend only one hour a day or 16 hours a day, because, as long as you do not use a bot, all is "equal and fair", they might want to have a second look at that.
If botting meant that you would outperform even those top raiders with ease (personally I did not get beyond normal mode raiding, even when botting), *then* I could understand this argument. But, things being as they are, they have to come up with something better than "equal and fair"

As a final note before I conclude this post, which is arguably the longest post I have ever placed on the internet, I would like to say that, reading through the first halve of the comments on this post, I noticed that I have not spent enough time on these forums. The sense of community I find here is heart warming. If I had had more time (or maybe less of a social life outside) I would have loved to get to know as many of you as I could. For now, though, with the six month ban, there is, of course more time, but fewer reasons for me to check up on these forums. I do want you all to know, however, that, although I don't know any of you, you do feel like family. Distant family, maybe, but family non the less.

I wish you all the best of luck with your appeals and I hope most of you will get their ban undone.

All the best,
Wearloga
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my sentiments exactly...

razer · May 15, 2015

getrektcheaters said: ↑

Learn to play the game, and you won't need a bot.

#dontcheat

#getrektcheaters
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bhahaa spoken from a true pasty face nerd who has no life but the one on WoW. #dontbustapimple #HBisnottheonlybot #mybotsarentbannedperm #icansellmyshitandmakeacraptopofrealmoneyandbuynewaccountsandbotagain. ALso there are a shitton of bots still in BG's and Arena lol

crane5555 · May 15, 2015

getrektcheaters said: ↑

Learn to play the game, and you won't need a bot.

#dontcheat

#getrektcheaters
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Venomspitter and registered here!))) Bombs and blazing ass?)))

lordkysers · May 15, 2015

wearloga said: ↑

Dear developers and writers of routines and plugins (and what have you),

I want to thank you all for all your hard work. I know it has been said plenty of times before, but you deserve all the praise.You have managed to create something that made a game with sometimes complex, or at other times downright boring mechanics enjoyable for a lot of people who wouldn't have enjoyed that game in the same way otherwise. I'll never forget just how nice and relaxing it is to start up WoW and HB and just watch the game being played for you, or to not have to pay attention to your rotation and be able to fully focus on positioning in raids. You made aspects of the game available to those who have a normal life (or at least something approaching that), for which you have my deepest gratitude.

Myself, I'm a very casual gamer, I don't need to play games on hard difficulty to enjoy them, I usually play them on the easiest setting just to dominate.
That's what I love about HB, it allows me to play some aspects of the game as though I had put in days of practising and perfecting my combat routine. On my own, I could never heal a LFR group, maybe a HC dungeon if I practised a lot, but I would probably need raid gear for that or run out of mana, but with HB and a solid CR I managed to always be in the top 3 with about 5-10% overhealing done (the lack of overhealing being the reason I wasn't number 1). I might be able to struggle some average DPS in LFR, but not whilst keeping an eye on where not to stand during encounters.
That's what HB did for me, it made me able to heal a group while making sure I wasn't standing in the fire. I do sincerely believe that I contributed to a positive game experience for all of tanks and DPSers in the raid, and probably for most healers too (if they were not too competitive), and I believe fun to be most important in any game.

True, Blizzard is in their rights to ban us. True, we all knew we were breaking their rules. However, without looking at PvP, where the matter lies slightly different, I do not think that any form of botting, as provided by HB, did any harm to the fairness and levelness of the gaming community as a whole. I have made an appeal for one of my accounts which has been denied with the usual mention of "use of 3rd party programs" and that the information cannot be disclosed, "as it is internal information."
What got me wondering, though, is that I got the email (and presumably the ban) more than 24 hours after I logged in to the account while having HB active. I know that I have logged in to the account after that moment (though I didn't log in to a character as I decided I didn't feel like playing after all), but without HB running at the time.

I am mostly disappointed about the ban on my main account. I did use it on my second account for gathering purposes and the like, but on my main only as a combat routine in PvE, and try as I might, I can see no downside to doing that. But more than feeling disappointed, I'm wondering if I will return to the game, and, in this, I'm torn. I love WoW, the world, its characters, its stories, and I was really looking forward to playing my way through the Tanaan Jungle, but I'm not sure if I would be willing to keep playing the game without a bot. For me, that would mean that the max level of content that I could play that would make me feel good would be DPSing and, just maybe, tanking in HC dungeons, or maybe healing or tanking in non HC dungeons. As much as I enjoyed being part of a raid group, albeit LFR, and although I might get my DPS high enough not to get complaints about that, keeping track of the mechanics of such a fight and my combat routine at the same time is just too much for me. This would also mean that I would have to miss out on the epic story quests. As nice as owning a legendary ring is, it pales in comparison to the story behind it. Of course I'll watch it all on YouTube, but that is far from the same as actually being part of the story and play it.

Yes, I'm addicted to WoW. Yes, my first thought was: "I'll just get a new account and start over". But I don't want to start over, not without my old characters. I've played two of them for over 5 years, there is no replacing that. But more than that, I don't want to play through Dreanor again. The idea of a garrison is great, but it felt like grinding having to run through it every day. With all those peons just lifting weights, you would imagine that they could pick everything up for us, but they don't so they make some of us feel forced to use a bot for it.
And as far as "We’re committed to providing an equal and fair playing field for everyone in World of Warcraft" goes, there is no such thing as an equal and fair playing field for everyone. Some of us will have more time to invest into this game then others. Some might just be better at playing it, understanding the deep mechanics of a certain class or spec. To my knowledge and to my experience as a user of HB, it does not make us "the best players in the game". Being an all-round bot, it is not programmed to look ahead. a CR does not think like a person does and often makes decisions that are good, but not optimal. This can be greatly improved by taking away some of what the CR does and taking back that control, but that doesn't change the fact that HB operates within the same spectrum as real players, though well above average (Once again, this might be different for PvP, but I have not done a lot of that). If "equal and fair" means that it does not matter if you are a noob or a top class raider, if you can spend only one hour a day or 16 hours a day, because, as long as you do not use a bot, all is "equal and fair", they might want to have a second look at that.
If botting meant that you would outperform even those top raiders with ease (personally I did not get beyond normal mode raiding, even when botting), *then* I could understand this argument. But, things being as they are, they have to come up with something better than "equal and fair"

As a final note before I conclude this post, which is arguably the longest post I have ever placed on the internet, I would like to say that, reading through the first halve of the comments on this post, I noticed that I have not spent enough time on these forums. The sense of community I find here is heart warming. If I had had more time (or maybe less of a social life outside) I would have loved to get to know as many of you as I could. For now, though, with the six month ban, there is, of course more time, but fewer reasons for me to check up on these forums. I do want you all to know, however, that, although I don't know any of you, you do feel like family. Distant family, maybe, but family non the less.

I wish you all the best of luck with your appeals and I hope most of you will get their ban undone.

All the best,
Wearloga
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what this guy said.

exdeus · May 15, 2015

fish221171 said: ↑

Anyone know if that other bot s@@@@ox is any good may switch over to that, it also runs 64-bit.
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it's not a bot, just rotation bot

redhand · May 15, 2015

Maybe we can work it out! https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honor...orts/215609-32-bit-detection-method-anti.html

Dominowood · May 15, 2015

Пере банили всех кого можно это уж просто ужас. Что теперь людям делать которые так долго играли своими персонажами,компании теперь не доказать что ботом мы не пользовались.

klepp0906 · May 15, 2015

lordkysers said: ↑

Soo seen on FB a lot of people are appealing and getting their accounts back. I will write a appeal soon but wanted a lil help with what to say in the appeal please help.
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Links? I've heard of ZERO getting their accounts back but would love to see some.

klepp0906 · May 15, 2015

canadianspirit said: ↑

Have you guys read about the banns on their Blizard forums. The people are rude and put down botters. I hate the people on WOW now. They think their shit doesnt stink. They think they are better then us botters. Go read their posts its pretty sickening to read it. My 2 accounts got banned for 6 months. I used toekns for both for up to March of next year. So I will have time when I get back on. Blizaard is pretty controlling about their rules. And the people putting botters down have no life but to just play LOL.
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They are better (in this context) and they are right for wanting it to be fair. We were in the wrong. That being said - they take things to a hilariously pathetic level expecting the game to be dumbed down for people with less time to play. Get real people.

klepp0906 · May 15, 2015

canadianspirit said: ↑

They are also posting our messages on Blizard forums so watch out. They are disgusting. I might not go back I dont want to play with players like them.
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Wow is chock full of players "like them" . It's what you get when you cave and dumb a game down so far for financial gain you let everyone in. Xbox live scrubs, cod kiddies, console casuals and the list goes on. Wow is closer to a moba than a mmorpg these days. Action game + chat tbh. Go play a real mmo, EQ for example had such a respectful mature community it's almost like culture shock in comparison.

Point being, smart mature folk are the minority in Azeroth.

klepp0906 · May 15, 2015

ryftobuddy said: ↑

People have the strangest ideas. Blizz has proven that they don't do things to catch botters, botters are good enough at exposing themselves as it is.

I can say with about 100% assurance that the token wasn't implemented to catch botters. It was put in place to make blizzard money.
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True story. Although it was a measure to cut out and/or discourage cgf as well. +rep for having a brain.

klepp0906 · May 15, 2015

klepp0906 said: ↑

Links? I've heard of ZERO getting their accounts back but would love to see some.
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Just replied to my appeal. They could have cared less. Idiots. 10 years of time and money even as they continued to drive it into the ground. I call bs on people having these reversed.

Soeski · May 15, 2015

wearloga said: ↑

Dear developers and writers of routines and plugins (and what have you),
--SNIP--
All the best,
Wearloga
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Best post 2015. My thoughts exactly. Don't be sad about what we've "lost", be happy about what we've gained the past several years. I lost my 9y old account with 13 lvl 100's ilvl 650+, maxed garrisons and 500K gold. So be it. I do not laugh about it, but always knew the risks. HB team, great job and I will see you with whatever new "HB" wil arise. Because I believe one will.

stigge80 · May 15, 2015

Just to clear some statements made.

you

at 12:55:58

Hi m8.. Quick question. how i cancel my subscription on a banned account ?

Torqindou

at 12:56:36

Hi there, the subscription has been automatically cancelled witht the ban.

you

at 12:56:35

okey thank you =)

namook · May 15, 2015

klepp0906 said: ↑

Just replied to my appeal. They could have cared less. Idiots. 10 years of time and money even as they continued to drive it into the ground. I call bs on people having these reversed.
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They want you to buy wow tokens with a new account even if this is the case I will never buy one wow token, they really fucked their market up there lol, I am sure most of us won't buy any, while a lot will sadly.

Overnaturlig · May 15, 2015

iwwt said: ↑

Imo WoW Token is what caused the ban.

Now they are selling golds themselves, it's for the first time in WoW's history more valuable for them to fight bots. They will compensate a part of the losses in subs by selling their tokens.
For the other part, they will probably launch another expansion at the end of this year.
They also hope to convince some players to come back if the game is bot free (or close). I admit that i was personnaly a bit annoyed by bots in PvP or by AH bots, but i really don't care about players botting to farm their own comps or by pve rotation bots.
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I only both with Enyo og premium CRs in pve. i got hit.

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