This PvErs vs PvPers Crap is Disgusting And Needs to Stop - Here's Why

You can do as you wish... However in my case bossland agreed with me/us.. and he wont with you... I do not care about bans..

I care about the lack of regard for other players who want to enjoy PVP.. your basically saying FU I don't care.. So before you get on your high horse asking how old I am, Why don't you think about why you feel its ok to destroy a game for someone ?..

And please don't say PVE botting is doing the same... PVE botting has very little affect to anyone else in the game.. with the exception of quicker player advancement.. however that is not making to the point that other players can not PVE anymore..

 

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10432823467
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15699387526
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15538504278
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3765087971
botting in instances and LfR - Forums - World of Warcraft
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/4253973507
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/11674447400

 

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Afking not bots
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Instance farming, nothing to do with raiding
I'm sorry let me rephrase that, find some one bitching about someone botting in a real raid.. As this is what we are comparing here..

Arena cr use and normal/heroic/mythic cr use..


And even then that number is nothing at all compared to the number of Compaints re pvp

Father of these complaints where the bots doing stupid things like auto attacking and afk bots on follow.. I'm yet to see a lfr bot from buddy so any of these things..

But most important we are talking about areana cr use and pve raiding cr use..

 

He finds what you ask and you still bitch about it lol...

Accept defeat - you are a part of the problem as well. We are all in this group together as one big botting family.

 

You're missing the point of my post about PvErs entirely. It's not that your fellow raiders or the boss are complaining about the raider using his script. In fact, someone might not even know or complain at all. They don't see the correlation in front of them which is why I spelled it out for you here in bold letters and underlining.

It's about how your CR directly inevitably affects the chances of other players outside of your raid group from joining your raid group (as your class for instance) because their damage can't compare to yours, and how their WoW raiding experience of PvE experience or however you want to phrase it is hindered by your inability to look worse than them. I worded this very carefully so that you guys could make that distinction, so re-read what I said. They might not ever know this is happening to them, or ever voice a concern. If they aren't aware, they'd have no reason to. Regardless, their experience is still affected, albeit in different but equally "we're all botters" kind of way. I'm simply trying to make you guys aware of that fact. Re-read what I said above, and that should be a lot more clear.

 

Except I don't thing he read the posts, the first on he listed, was praising the bot..

Let me copy and paste..

Alright so we know that bots in PvP has been an issues for a looooong time now ever since the days of glider. Well when then Glider shutdown happened a new bot (which will remain un-named) came to be the reigning champion bigger than Glider ever was. Now in every battleground I see a group of at LEAST 3 people who without fail will wait about 45 seconds before moving from the spawn then all proceed to go to the same location together following the same path. This happens on the alliance side and on the horde maybe 1 or 2 but that is in EVERY DAMN BATTLEGROUND!!!!

But we're not here to discuss bots in PvP as they have found new ground....PvE. I don't just mean dungeons I mean LFR, there are bots that auto-queue and auto-equip upgrades for you...in LFR. Hell they even know how to do the mechanics (to use a refrence) actually I'm not even mad, that's amazing. Let me tell you a story of a SoO run in which I for a fact know there were 3 botters. I know this because they all went through the instance on the exact same path, idled in the same spots and all had the same 45 second delay in moving after a boss kill. They were a Resto Druid, Fire Mage and Unholy Deathknight.

This was on the last wing of LFR and I was tanking it on my ally DK Sveinn on Stormrage. But I actually didn't end up reporting them at the end of the LFR and this is why. They were in ~iLvL 530 gear and they held the #2 and #4 spots in DPS pulling between 170-200k and the #1 spot in healing done (sorry I don't remember the amount). Also their damage taken was some of the lowest of the entire raid. They followed the mechanics never got hit by the Shockwave missile swapped to the crawler mines and still managed to keep in the top 4 DPS slots. On Paragons they focused the skull (I'm guessing the bot has something built in to read which targets have been marked by the raid) and on Garrosh not one got hit by the Exploding Iron Star.

This thread is more of a response to people crying out saying that bots are ruining their LFR and just a call that instead of seeing a bad player and instantly thinking they're a bot...if they were they would probably be doing 10x better. Just food for thought.

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Lol yes they have them bots haha

But I do thank him from helping me

 

And how does that directly hurt the player, because the guy cant dps for crap and people who use a bot can do better then him. Yea ok but I know people who can dps just as good as a damn bot.

But no one knows his botting so its not effecting anyone maybe for the poor guy who sucks at dps should try harder to get into that guild. Here's the difference between being effected on the spot and be effected by a better "dpser"

PVE / PVP

helps guild kill boss great dps (everyone cheers) /// runs afk into a wall while team members get killed in bg
helps farm gold for guidlys so they can focus on better things /// does not listen to the BG team and does his own thing (afk)

helps boost dps if the user is tired that day /// targets wrong person in WSG over the flag carrier or healer
helps farming rares for all the share // Arena - Instant interupt - auto dps - makes users of the other team get mad.
does garrison dailys so you dont have to // Arena - Instant CC - other team gets more mad!
levels toons up so you can do other things // Arena - faceroll to 1800 with no skill - Players get mad and can detect bot.

So please tell me the balance in PVP vs PVE when using a Bot.

PVE vs PVP there is nothing to compare. Arena botting is like botting in CSGO with auto headshot. Where the other player might as well go afk since that "AI" or Bot as we call them will always get that CC 100% and the headshot 100% Blizzard even agree's with PVP botting is becoming more of a pain. With HB team removing it they must of agreed also.

 

Bots have evolved a lot over the last 7 years. With that in mind, I feel they've evolved too much. If botting goes beyond making up for lost time in the game, I don't value the logic. If you NEED to bot in order to raid, I can't see this game being fun for you; speaking from experience.

We'll always loop around the idea of "but the game is so boring without bots" or "botting is the only reason i have a raid slot", as well as an array of other excuses.

I play this game, I bot to make up for time I lost by having a job. I level, grind mobs/skinnging and quest. I still enjoy the game and playing by hand, and can't imagine a game without something to help me earn gold while I sleep.

The point i'm trying to make is botting has gotten too advanced for as large of a game as WoW. There's endless available options and we let it get out of hand. Now cutting back, the game feels better now. I enjoy arena's again (besides the few kickbots I encounter still).

 

Same here man, for people who work full time we have no time to farm the repeatable content every day so just let the bot do it and then for the times I want to PVP I go jump in Arena and have some fun. As for the kickbots yea still a few around but nothing like it was before. PVP is more fun now and when they remove BG's it will be even more fun for a team to jump into a bg and play "real" players

 

It's quite funny to see. No botters here ever complained about PvE bot/CR in raids etc. But now that PvP bot is removed, all the PvP botters trying to hammer down the PvE'ers.

It's a fact that PvP bots ruin the game directly and very agressively for other players who enjoy doing arena manually and try to get rating. When you face a bot it's simply impossible to win. I've faced several bots during my arenas and I can tell you it pretty much pissed me off so much that I stopped doing arena. Ironic since I'm a botter myself? Maybe. I couldn't cast a single heal without being insta interrupted/kick/cyclone/stun whatever CC there is. It's fruistrating and bloddy annoying. PvE bots? What happens? The boss dies *cheers* people sad? No, I don't think so. What? Dungeon farming? How does this affect the community in a bad way? A group of 5 bots farming Botanica for example. Sure, maybe the AH will be flooded with certain mats. hen again, it this bad for the community? What people don't understand is, not matter how you twist or turn it. PvP bots have always been a serious problem. It litteraly destroys the gameplay for others.

 

People please read my post again...

 

You're still focused entirely on the impact the PvE bot has on your own group/raid, etc. which is not what I'm discussing or arguing and is not what this thread is about. I don't know how to make that any more clear than stating it here for a second time. Using your logic, I can just as easily say that my PvP group/team would praise my DPS interrupts (which they often did), enemy players died (cheers echo from my own team naturally), my bot DPS helps boost team DPS, etc. etc. etc. It's the exact same principle if you're applying the benefits of botting for your own group/team. I'm not doing that. Step outside of the perspective of comparing the pros and cons with regards to your own personal raid group/PvP team and you'll understand what I'm trying to say. If you can't do that, well then I can't make it any clearer for you and I'll have to assume there's a language barrier.

If this was a thread about the benefits on both sides (which it's not), I could just as easily give you my own personal stories about how, playing FotM classes, I was often whispered on RBG signups asking whether or not I was running a bot/script. Keep in mind that I played in the 2k bracket (Hero of the Alliance was 2100 this season to give you perspective). Every single one of those RBG leaders who whispered me that question wanted to know if I was a CR user because they only wanted CR users in those classes. Why? Because Gladiator Suite is/was that powerful. They knew it, I knew it, and when I lied and said "No, I don't bot." for obvious reasons, I was often denied a spot.

And these were PUGs mind you. LFG RBG pugs forming for the Hero push all hoping they would exploit the power of HB and GS CRs to help them secure Hero this season. Now I was taken sometimes for saying no, and I obviously put out a shit ton of damage and interrupts and was praised, friended, and re-taken in subsequent weeks because in their eyes I was simply that good. As for the ones who denied me because I didn't say "Yes, I'm a botter," well I fought them two and three times a week on scattered teams and while I knew they ran with botters, I also knew that it boiled down to who had the best team/leader. In all cases, people won or lost based on a number of those factors, though their bots and our/my bot obviously played a role. I'm using this as an example to show you that even from a PvP perspective, the praise you get from your own team isn't even a consideration in the argument I laid out above. Using that argument, I probably denied countless players my spot because I was never replaced. I was too "good" to replace and my team didn't want to risk a PUG hoping to prove himself, even if they didn't know I was running an HB CR. In their eyes, they had no reason to. I sincerely hope you understand what I'm trying to say here.

 

100% agree with you that the impact PvE CRs have is more passive than the impact in PvP. I was never denying that or trying to disprove that. We're on the same page. My argument was that both CR types do affect WoW players on an equal standing when it comes to simply affecting the experience of other players, even if it's in a different way.

A lot of the "PvE vs PvP" arguments were suggesting that PvE bots/CRs had no negative impact whatsoever on the WoW community, and I was simply showing them that that's simply not true. But read what I said to razer one post below yours, and you'll understand that you have to take the focus away from how the bot benefits your own group/raid to fully understand the point I'm making with my original post and so-forth.

 

you right taran i was a 2400 rated holy paladin to befor the banwave but stil we have atleast RBG supported so we could do that RBG is more fun then pve

 

Your talking about one side of the team, what about the other side your raping ? They are not so happy

Now let's look at the other side of pve... Blackhand he's not really too fused at all... Why well black hand isn't another wow suscriper paying money to enjoy a game..

Why can't you see that.

 

Because nowhere in my argument do I make the distinction that NPCs or Raid Bosses would have any feelings towards botting whatsoever. That would naturally be ridiculous. Just as well, I'm not comparing PvP and PvE impacts in perpendicular terms. My response to Razer was to show him that simply looking at the benefits side would be an incorrect understanding of the point I was making in the original post. Re-read my original post and what I said to him and other posters, and (hopefully) you'll understand more clearly.

 

So your another Mario taking credit in PVP for what the bot did. Your VSING other PLAYERS WHO ARNT BOTTING! Your using Artificial Intelligence against another human player of course your going to win.

Lets look at it this way, what if you did not have the bot and someone was using honorbuddy to beat you in Arena and you knew he was botting are you going to allow him to smash your face with Artificial Intelligence while you try your hardest to beat him but know you cant since his using Artificial Intelligence while you are trying to beat something that auto interrupts and cc's you INSTANTLY.

No point in arguing, you people dont get it and Bossland GREAT JOB keep PVP out of HB for good.

 

Using your same logic, a player taking credit for PvE achievements (boss kills, DPS logs on WoW Raids) that the HB PvE CR did is another Mario as well. That's not what this thread is about, and you and Camel are missing the point entirely. I'm going to assume there's a language barrier here and concede that I can't use any other form of sentence structure, bold lettering, italics, or underlining to help you see the real point and distinction I'm making. I tried, at least.

Also, this is NOT a thread complaining about the removal of Arena from HB. It never was, and I never made that complaint in the OP. In fact, your post and complete misunderstanding has shown me that I should probably add that.

 

You will fail. And when you do, promise you won't get butthurt and annoying like they are.

 

There is a huge difference. Apart from non botters who play arena versus bots. This is extremely frustrating.

PvE'ers suffer nothing from high DPS/Healing. It even helps them. No one in the group would ever complain that your Healing is too high or DPS.

In arena at the other hand...someone who can insta kick/silence/interrupt is just a huge pain in the ass. You can't win. Faced many bots myself and I stopped because of it.