Glider is coming back?!: Official 01/28/2011 Announcement Discussion Thread

i just readed this


Originally Posted by Mercury
It's been a difficult time waiting to file this, but it finally ended last night. We filed our petition with the appeals court to rehear an issue that the court appears to have overlooked.

The appeals court tossed every single thing in the original judgment, but then they re-added an injunction on MDY against selling Glider based on the DMCA 1201b violation. That is the one that says Warden is "access control" and circumventing it is thus a DMCA violation, even with no copyright infringement.

They spent a great deal of time talking about how they don't like Chamberlain, a case that would have won it for us. And in many respects, I don't blame them for not taking Chamberlain because that case establishes a confusing burden on the plaintiff to establish some liability that normally isn't there with the DMCA.

However, the court appears to have gotten too caught up in Chamberlain and overlooked a part of the DMCA that pretty much was designed exactly for Glider.

1201f "interoperability" exception
Congress didn't want people using the DMCA to expand copyright and force out software interoperation. So they added some interesting verbiage to the DMCA saying that you are explicitly allowed to circumvent access control if it's for the sole purpose of enabling interoperation between two programs (homework assignment: guess which two) and there is no copyright infringement.

Now that the copyright ruling has been reversed, 1201f should apply to Glider. We filed a petition to ask the court to consider that, since 1201f was not discussed after they dismantled Chamberlain.

There's a link to the petition at the bottom of this post. It's a pretty good read and not even that long.

What's going to happen next, then?
Well, if I was sure, we wouldn't need a panel of judges for this. But there are a few possible outcomes that may come out pretty fast. And a lot of them involve Glider going back on the market, so I've been busy preparing for that possibility.

And let me tell you, catching up on two years of WoW updates (and a practical re-write of many class mechanics) is not fun.

What this means for Glider
The legal argument is very simple and very strong. There's a very good chance that the panel will take it or possibly just lift the injunction and kick it back down to Judge Campbell to determine 1201f applicability.

And, even without this, Glider is technically legal to sell without anti-Warden code. Not that it would last very long like that, but there are some interesting options for leaving that feature as a plug-in for others to develop... or other cleverness. We're exploring quite a few ideas to put Glider back on the market legally now that the injunction is so narrow.

So if you do get Glider back out, what then?
We've updated Glider in-house to get it current with the game and its existing functionality. All the Tripwire stuff is disabled here (can't use that stuff legally), but that's not a big deal today... I doubt there's gonna be a Warden update just to whack my little test account.

Needless to say, the market has progressed quite a bit past the old simple profiles thing and we've got a lot of work to do in order to get caught up to that.

The good news is there are already some really good Glider add-ons that do some of that. And our biggest priority will be a linked questing/tasking system that's been rolling around in my head for literally 2 years. I'm looking at one-touch 1-85 with the proper community support. Judging by how big regular profiles were in the past, that should be easy to come by.

When's the next update?
Pretty soon, in legal terms. I'm guessing we'll hear back from the panel on this petition within 2 to 12 weeks. We may get jammed there and get nothing... or things might get really interesting, really fast. We'll be prepared for anything.

TL;DR
Sorry, there's no easy way out this time. Gotta read it.

Download link:
http://mmoglider.com/legal/1201f_Petition.pdf

 

YEAHHHH. Best news ever !! Looks very promising.....especially this :

 

They've already lost all their customers. Will take a while for them to get back up their feet if they dont come with something special with the release

like a 1-85 WITHOUT community help

 

You obviously don't know/remember how amazing Glider was. 99% bug free with an equally great API to go with it. The developers/moderators are extremely professional. Trust me, you're grossly underestimating the rate at which they'll get back on their feet.

 

Did you guys like using Glider more than today's HB/GB?

I find HB and GB incredibly powerful, yet easy to use and customize with the Bot, CC and plugin systems. Every release seems to get a little better too.

What was so special about Glider (other than being 1st)?

 

This.

The staff there was incredible as was the community.

 

I concur. Bugs? Fixed in a timely manner, not with the bugs that unfortunately hb comes with

 

Well glider was not as buggy as HB and there were additions all the time. I remember glider right before it was banned by court - the CCs worked much smoother, ppather made it so that you practicly didn't need any profiles and it didn't look bottish at all. They definately were near to making a one click 1-80 (? not sure when the court banned them ^^) profile and that's something you cannot say for HB.
GB on the other hand is something they never really had. At the end there was the possibility to use the flying mount and gather but I personally never got it to work.

So I wouldn't look at is as from glider vs. HB/GB, but more like glider vs. HB. And if you take in account how good the glider developers were, how fast they reacted and how much some key members (such as cc/profile/addon developers) of the community contributed, it is within the realm of possibility, that glider may win this fight in the near future.

But ofc you have no way of knowing for sure. One thing that is for sure though: Competition benefits us - for intance, I'm sure there was a good reason to publish GB2 now and not in a few more weeks.

 

HB is very powerful, since gliders were released a lot has changed, this glider was shut down by blizzard but for me glider was and always will be the one that carved the way forward and im sure if it was to return mercury and his team will make a very nice bot guaranteed. wonder if they would honour there old customer keys...

 

PPather was the true beauty of Glider. It worked way better than HB's nav system, and you didn't have to download any mesh files.

 

Yes, this is awesome because I like using software that actually works.

 

I remember using locks as farmers, PPather + I forgot the name of that lock CC but it was multipulling targets midfight. It was a damn killing machine.

OB was the real shit tho... Apoc should have just ported OB to be a botbase in HB

 

I for one will stick with HB/GB 100% of the way! If glider goes live it is going to be bad for ALL botting software! Blizzard will be all pissy, and put loads of money towards updating Warden, specifically towards Glider I'd assume. If they went to the lengths to get Glider off the market, I'm sure they will do everything they possibly can to keep it that way once/if it goes live again...

 

All I want is a relatively simple bot which can get me to 85 without crashing all the time. HonorBuddy 1 did just this and it's such a shame the management/developers decided to try and add every feature possibly imaginable instead of improving on core functionality and fixing issues which have been around since the first release.

I can't wait to give MDY my hard earned cash!

 

Pathing in Openbot wasn't very good. I spent more time configuring and tinkering with OB than actual botting (kinda like HB if I think about it!). After Openbot banwave I returned to Glider, and Glider-elite just blew it out of the water, with Custom Classes and PPather, etc. Non-elite Glider was very stable, but looked very bot-like since it used waypoints. I hope my lifetime glider elite key is still honored!

EDIT: So it appears my elite key was only for 60 days =(. Chances are I would stick with HB anyways. Although it has its share of bugs and is sometimes unstable, I really enjoy using the API for writing plugins/classes. As a gold seller, I would definitely want a more stable product, but since I'm just playing with the bot for fun I enjoy the freedom and flexibility of Honorbuddy.

 

ye glider custom classes where always awsome with Pontes

 

and so the battle ensues

 

I might not be remembering correctly but didn't Hawker write PPather or have something to do with it?

 

nope The man who write ppather was Pontus....just what i can say Glider ll bury everyone...funny i post a similar thread two weeks ago and some people flame me....obviously there are so much noobs in the botting scene today.

i ll stick to GB and ll wait for merc news about progress.

 

Haha, just remember: ZLock goes insane ^^