Hello. I recently came back and noticed some people talked about your account being marked for ban regardless of how good you're doing it. They were talking about the HB inject into the client being detectable and thus you will be banned. I later read this: http://wiki.thebuddyforum.com/index.php?title=BosslandGmbH:HelpDesk:Is_Botting_Safe? I cannot find anything in this that says you will be banned by pressing "start". It specifically says HB have a good client side protection and we should mostly worry about the server-side things. So, my question is, which one is it? Let's say I pressed start on a account I do not want to have banned. A few minutes later I press stop, will that one still be banned? Because of how some users on this forum have explained it - that's how it works. However, the wiki does not state this. Thanks
If you bot, you'll be banned. If the bot is detected (which almost everyone believes it is at this point), hitting start will be enough to get you banned. If you're afraid of being banned, botting is not for you.
I know this, but the detectable thing is only a belief by the users, right? I have been botting on all my accounts since vanilla and only got caught once in a banwave on a insignificant account. However, my vanilla account have never been touched. It would be such a inconvenience and to know for sure that this account will get banned could save me tons of time to prepare with a new, fresh account. Obviously, prior to now I didn't know the inject itself could be detected. Do you think I could stop right away and "get away" with it, or is it way too late? I know I did wrong, I'm just trying to save time for myself. Thank you for the reply
3 banwaves in a 2 year period is a pretty clear sign that the bot is detected. The HB team has very clearly said that in the game of cat and mouse, they are losing. If you get caught in a detection, there's nothing you can do. Your account is flagged and you'll be banned with the rest. You'll never know when the flagging occurred. We all could have been flagged a thousand times in the last month and we'd never even know it until the next banwave rolls out.
Alright, thank you for the replies! I'll continue without botting on my "profession" accounts and create a few new ones. Hopefully I'll get to keep my professions. Such a ballache to re-level and re-train all those for Legion.
ryftobuddy you try so hard to make HB and Boting look bad .. i bet you run around all day yelling the """end of the world is coming""" truth is in 1000+ days they got lucky and detected the bot 3 times for a few hours before HB stopped all bots so 99.7% you will not get caught.. 3 ban waves 1 went undetected for hours . other 2 HB Tripwire stopped the bot with in first hour . if you were online you most likely got banned,but everyone who tried to log in later HB tripwire stopped them from getting caught. you can still be caught without detection of the bot.... people report you or they check your account and see you farm 100 hours a week. nothing HB can do about you getting caught for player reports or you crazy boting stuff. 12 years boting caught 4 times. 2 were over boting ( 24 hr / 7 days a week ) and 2 were ban waves. lost 1 account to permanent ban . 9 accounts to ban waves 6 mounts ban . others were small 1-30 day bans because they didnt know in the last 2 years blizzard has stepped up its attacks and the ban waves are bad.
Mate, I'm no Ryftobuddy fan. At all. Few people in this forum is. But that doesn't mean he doesn't have a point when he does. You are being completely delusional. Wake up. Reading the rest of your post, you show little comprehension about how does the tripwire work or the (commonly thought) detection process. I might be wrong, but reading through your latest posts certainly reinforces that impression. You sound a lot like a crazy HB fanboy... We all know we owe Hb a lot. It has served its purpose for a long time. But sweeping the problems under the rug, blaming banwaves on contracted third parties and failing to openly communicate with the userbase must not be praised. You really want to support Bossland? that's very kind on you; Go grab a Legendary buddy license, and stop with all these nonsensical posts of yours. You are doing them more harm than good trying to deny the facts.
where are your facts? you have 0 ban waves are when blizzard detects the bot . what 3rd party are you talking about . fact HB has said over and over that blizzard working around the bot security is why the ban waves happen . tripwire does not stop blizzard from detection of the bot .it just warns that they have changed something and the bot might be detected . it only helps people not on line when blizzard detects the bot. i push start on the bot every day. not banned from pushing start . Truth is you can get banned at anytime for 1000s or reasons . still 99% safe FACT do the math 2 ban wave 2015 may and dec 2 / 365 days 99.5% safe. 2 ban wave so far this year 2 / 180 days 98.9% safe. as long as your not being dumb and getting reported by players or on 24/7 the bot is still safe
Joseph, no offense intended, but you should stop talking. You don't have a clue of what you are talking about, and make it clearer with every single post. There is plenty of information available in this forum. People has been discussing for years and years, and lots of useful information have come to the surface. Instead of writing the first thing that comes to your mind, you could use that same time to educate yourself on these matters. The only reason you are not banned the same moment you press start is because Blizzard don't want to lose your dollars. And that's it. It should be pretty clear for everybody at this point, yet some people would still be banned 10 times, yet refuse to see the evidence.
your saying bot is detected 100% of the time and blizzard lets us use it because they want money. that why i dont get ban when i press start anyone can make up stuff just like you . blizzard can ban anyone bot or not . the facts are clear people get banned most because their own fault , fishing 12 hours , 24 hour dungeon farm , farming 10,000s of ore herbs , and so on . Ban waves are the bot being detected only happens a few times . read the posts yourself most people know why or have a good idea why they got banned outside of the bot being detected. you can make up anything you wish ... Facts are simple and you have none
Hi, K1mpman, Its actually both. The article was written under the assumption that no mistakes are ever made. With this viewpoint the responsibilities are clearly delineated: the Buddy bot is responsible for avoiding client-side detection, and the user is responsible for avoiding server-side detection. But with humans involved, problems always arise... On an occasion or two, the Tripwire detection was mishandled and completely ineffective. On a couple of other occasions, Bliz did some very naughty [size=-2](and arguably illegal)[/size] things and managed to evade Tripwire. [size=-2](We won't discuss the latter, further).[/size] On these occasions, just launching Honorbuddy is enough to get your account banned, because the client-side detection had been compromised. Each time we make a mistake [size=-2](or Bliz does naughty things)[/size], the Tripwire team learns a lesson, and that attack vector is no longer available to them the next time around. Its a cat-and-mouse game, and in the long run, the mice always lose. This is why we make it clear that 'Botting is never safe'. cheers, chinajade
I'm no advocate of either parts of the arguments but if blizzard wanted money, wouldn't they gain from banning people quite frequently? Since you get 30 days free with your purchase and after that it's pretty much free(since you buy gametime for gold). If you're not spending your gold on gametime for your bots, you're kinda doing it wrong aren't you? We all show how adamant we are with buying more accounts so they'll probably gain a lot by waiting until we add WoD/Legion and then killing the account. I'm glad you joined in though so I can get some more perspective! It's very healthy to see both parts of the argument and I'll still avoid botting on my profession account so I'm certain I won't lose it anytime soon. Thanks for your replies!
Alright! This helps a lot! So if I'm botting at the wrong time(when the client-side protection is either deprecated or blizzard catch it) I'll get caught instantly and/or if I'm doing it wrong. I've only been banned once(6 months) after years and years of botting so I feel relieved now that I most likely won't lose the account I spend most of my time on. From now on I'll keep all this in mind and be more careful! Thank you all for the discussion and help to clear things up.
And that's exactly what they are doing. If they banned more frequently, people would simply stop botting; meaning that botters wouldn't buy new licenses of the game, and wouldn't add to their numbers. It's all the numbers game. Why would they ban 300k accounts for 6 months, and then for 18 months? Banning for 18 months is permaban with a different wording. Not even a handful of people will retake their old accounts after that time has passed. They either have new ones with actual gear, or have completely forgotten about the game. So, why the 18 months instead? Well, a suspended account still counts as a playing or active account. A banned account, obviously not. Even with their new decision of "not telling the numbers", the second they'll have good news Blizzard will change his mind yet again. Clearest example is Overwatch. Game is a success, so it is perfectly fine to share BETA PLAYERS (rotfl) and sold boxes. Numbers call numbers. Back to wow, let me tell you...when you have 1,2...less than 5 accounts, maintenance is easy. If you like the game , you could be banned every month (that's an approximate actual duration of accounts according to the ban section) and still have made a profit a restart new accounts! But that doesn't take into account : 1) Hardware ID flagging is not a myth. It never was, but it is that kind of thing that was so rare that, until it happens to you, you don't believe it. Now they are flagging systems. We don't know how, and finding how would be much more difficult than reversing warden. There are a massive number of ID's in a computer, and even a noob programmer can make a program that takes several of those ID's, encrypts them, and voalá, you have an unique ID that nobody (outside of Blizzard) can understand that it is being used to ID you. 2) 1 month is great. 2-3 months is still funny. 6 months with 5+ accounts, and it will become a job. Weariness. 3) There are additional costs that newer botterstend to overlook. Is your time free of cost? When you have fun it is great. But when you get bored, and you will, you'll expect to be rewarded for your time. Outside of maintenance factors as electric power, the computer usage, the handling of the chars and the accounts and the guild banks.... 4) Eventually, if you are serious about this, you'll get a manual investigation. And then, probably all your guild banks, and all accounts related, even unbotted ones, will be banned. This have always happened to hardcore botters, who always considered it an added risk. But, with the lowering of gold price, the lower demand, increased ban rate, many big time botters have switched games. So, the gaze of Blizzards GM's is upon not-so-big botters now. TLDR? wow botting for profit is as good as dead. Who knows what next expansion will bring...but with the current ban situation, it doesn't bode well.
Short Answer, no you will not be banned immediately upon injecting Honorbuddy into a WoW Client. There are a lot of doomsayers who think so, but it's really not true. However, you will most likely be banned eventually, which is why everyone will always tell you not to bot on a main account. This isn't just the truth for HB, it's the truth for all Bots, you always run that risk. The wiki documentation you are looking for is here http://wiki.thebuddyforum.com/index.php?title=BosslandGmbH:HelpDesk:Is_Botting_Safe%3F
as soon as you push start on HB, you are injecting into the client and can be detected and banned. doesnt matter what you're doing, gathering, crafting, rotation bot, once youre injecting youre on the ban hammer radar.
Got lucky...Detected 3 times... That's not luck. As others have pointed out, you are simply off kilter with your responses. You have absolutely no idea how detection or the tripwire works, nor can you back up that the scans only occurred at certain times. You sit here and say the bot is 98.9% safe...That is a complete fallacy and there is absolutely no data to back that up. The bot, given a large enough amount of time, is in fact 0.00% safe. The buddy team fully admits to that themselves. No, I don't run around all day screaming that the end of the world is coming. The end of the road may be coming for HB, but its not coming for wow anytime soon. The only thing that has saved the buddy team at this point is that they're located outside of the US. If their business was based in the US, they would've been out of business years ago. I love HB for what it is, and you should, too...But if you think that what the HB team does actually keeps us safe, well...You're in for a pretty rude awakening.
The bot is detected period!!!! We all (should) know it by now ... I botted carefully (3 x accounts) for 3 years up to the May 2015 banwave with no problem, not a single ban. Other people had the same experience and with more accounts. Just use HB for suicide botting...
