Berne convention is an international agreement, but it doesn't mean what it seems you think it does. Very succinctly: Under the Berne convention, any work worthy of copyright protection shall be protected in every signatory country in the same way under the local copyright laws regardless of where said work was created (local being where infringement allegedly took place). What it means is that if you write a book in England and someone in Germany copies it, you can take the infringing party to a German court under German copyright laws. Therefore, US copyright law does not apply to a court case in Germany, for a similar reason as to why Pakistani law does not apply to US court cases. I hope I've clarified this somewhat now.
If I were you I'd hold on to it. Once this legal case develops I have a funny feeling that a lifetime subscription will be worth a lot more than you paid for it
reason why they filed in germany... i never said us copyright laws applied to germany. i'm going to get a key to your house, make 1000 copies and sell to people... who is responsible the person i sold the key too or me? i see in some sites people are trying to force the blame on the person who bought the key.
Good luck! I really like HB. I read recently that 15% of women filing for divorce have stated video games as a reason. Wow and Call of Duty being the most mentioned games. I stopped playing Wow for a while because I have a life. HB has allowed me to enjoy both. Im sure everyone here agrees. Thank you.
I just found out that other wow bot makers are being sued at the same time by Blizzard. I'm happy to release the source I found to moderators via pm if they wish.
You said in reply to Maybe you should learn how to express yourself more clearly, as most people would comprehend that as you disagreeing with his statement and imply that you thought berne convention indeed made US copyright law applicable abroad. You've still not explained how Berne Convention is remotely applicable to this case. With your previous history of unclear posts, I'll await clarification as to what you are trying to say with your more recent analogy (seeing as HB doesn't copy and sell blizzard property it's rather uncertain what you mean).
I dont wanna donate for Water in Somalia/Africa! I want to donate for HB - Blizzard fuck off you have no chance in Germany!
... They're in a union to protect copyright laws... Both countries are part of the convention. Gives them the right to sue. Whether their case is legit is up to the courts. Do you consider this bot a automated service? Everyone is crying about a copyright law. What copyright is broken? I don't know. I replied to the guy who said US copyright doesnt apply. Why I said 2 words : berne convention. So now I am saying US copyright does apply to germany Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using Tapatalk
But... That is factually incorrect. It's German copyright law, not US, that applies to Germany. Berne convention does not extend any law beyond a country's borders. It merely stats that in each country, said country's copyright laws will apply to any work worldwide. Therefore this case has nothing to do with US copyright or copyright laws as due to Berne convention WoW has German copyright (indeed, near worldwide copyright) and it is due to be tried before a German court by German laws.
Look at the first post that I replied to about the copyright laws. It seems as though wowstargate was saying that Blizzard has no grounds in Germany. I replied with, "two words berne convention", merely implying that blizzard (U.S.) does have grounds to sue for copyright infringement in Germany. I mean, that's what all this is about right? Whether or not Blizzard can sue someone from Germany for copyright infringement? It doesn't matter that US copyright laws don't apply in Germany. All that matters is that the US, or someone from the US, is allowed to sue in Germany. You replied with "two words: so what?..." Since you want to get all technical and sophisticated with all of this, you dismissed me when I mentioned the Berne Convention. However, the Berne Convention is the sole reason that Blizzard is allowed to sue someone in Germany. I think this counts as a big 'what' instead of a 'so what'. I figured you could use context clues and your "1337" deductive skills to read between the lines, and figure out that I was only using the Berne Convention to prove that Blizzard does have grounds to sue in Germany, regardless of how literal the previous post might have been with regards to U.S. copyright laws. You see, I read between the lines, and assumed that wowstargate was making a claim that Blizzard does not have rights to sue in Germany. I realize this post might be a little redundant, but that's only because I wanted to make sure you understand with clarity where I'm coming from. I don't want to leave any gaps for you to become confused and pick apart my post. I know you're trying real hard to seem smart with all of your 'clarifications', but they're really not necessary. How about next time, before cluttering up a post by dissecting each and every word someone has used and trying to come off as sophisticated, think about what the person might have meant. All you've really clarified is that you enjoy trying to pick apart someone's words on the internet in a futile attempt to make yourself seem more knowledgeable than you really are. I appreciate your clarity on the already clarified Wikipedia article regarding the Berne Convention. Seventeen words: Blizzard does have grounds to sue anyone in Germany for copyright infringement due to the Berne Convention. Thanks again for all of your efforts HB. First, let me clarify as to why the Berne Convention is more than "remotely applicable to this case." The Berne Convention is what gives the United States, or someone from the United States, ground to sue someone in another country for copyright infringement. "Copyright protection rules are fairly similar worldwide, due to several international copyright treaties, the most important of which is the Berne Convention. Under this treaty, all member countries -- and there are more than 100, including virtually all industrialized nations -- must afford copyright protection to authors who are nationals of any member country. This protection must last for at least the life of the author plus 50 years, and must be automatic without the need for the author to take any legal steps to preserve the copyright. In addition to the Berne Convention, the GATT (General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade) treaty contains a number of provisions that affect copyright protection in signatory countries. Together, the Berne Copyright Convention and the GATT treaty allow U.S. authors to enforce their copyrights in most industrialized nations, and allow the nationals of those nations to enforce their copyrights in the U.S." Source: http://fairuse.stanford.edu
If i remind the Berne Convention (the copyright part) correctly ... it says that a product developed in the USA has the same copyrights in Germany like a product devolped in Germany?! Correct me if im wrong (please with a link) So german judges will use german law ...
yes they will USE german law.. but the copyright law CAN be enforced. its up to the court system in germany.
I'm sorry to let you down Honorbuddy, but when Blizzard is suing somebody they would most defiantly win. I mean look at the other botting companies they got like "Glider" After all botting is against Blizzard. So I really can't see how you can win this. The only thing I see, that I can do is bot so much that I can, before you go down.
You still objected to a perfectly valid post as if there was anything wrong with it. The guy said "They are under the impression that US Copyright Laws apply in Germany, I Think They will find out that they do not". After much failed defending and back-peddling, you now claimed to have assumed that the original poster thought there was no copyright in Germany for any items created abroad (not sure why as the original poster was actually very clear that it was US copyright laws that did not apply, which is correct, it is German copyright laws that apply which are much more favourable for Bossland). Finally, since you are unable to admit to mistakes you have now resorted to petty ad hominem attacks. I am sorry that you were wrong but I expect you'll get back to us in the same style as before, no doubt.
