ShamWOW for HB2 - An Enhance/Elemental/Resto + PVP/RaF Healbot by Bobby53

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http://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorb...o-pvp-raf-healbot-bobby53-445.html#post643470

 

Just in case you don't feel like reading the info bobby suggested you read, then let me give you my opinion since I leveled three shamans via questing. Use enhancement to level. Much faster. Much. Much. Much. 'Nuff said. lol

 

All DungeonBuddy Users:

You must go to Bot Config and set the Frame Lock option to False for compatibility with ShamWOW. This setting is True by default and will cause issues when using ShamWOW. See FAQ #10 in the ShamWOW Frequently Asked Questions [CLICK HERE].

Thanks for the post, -Bobby53

 

my shammy is soon 85 a question the default healing made by you is it good to use with standart gear? also wil u update this cc class for mop quick? and lazyraider also lazyraider update?

 

May be a noob question, but if i'm questing in Enhance, While queuing for a dungeon as healer, Once i enter as healer, Will Shamwow automatically change my spec to restro?

 

In response to any question similar to "Will it work with ...." the answer is "Yes, if you encounter any problems see FAQ #1 of ShamWOW Frequently Asked Questions [CLICK HERE]." ShamWOW is intended to support all facets of Shaman play in all environments requiring no changes to the configuration.

In response to MoP question, see my earlier response to you linked above.

 

Hapie, Good question. The answer is No. ShamWOW will correctly detect a spec change occurred and reinitialize so it will perform the appropriate function (melee dps, ranged dps, or healing.) Changing specs is the responsibility of the Bot you are using. InstanceBuddy changes your current spec if the active one does not match your Group role when you enter a Dungeon. I have not tried in DungeonBuddy yet (InstanceBuddy replacement) but that is an easy thing for you to verify. Thanks for the post and good luck with your Shaman, Bobby53

 

I was wondering if it is possible for ShamWoW to put Earth Shield on the target being hit and if that target being hit is my shammy, only to put earth shield on if my mana is above 25%? Otherwise put it on the other person and mana shield on me?

 

Thanks for the quick response Bobby, It mean's alot, That we know a CC Writer still cares about us.. So you're just recommending trying with IB or DB and seeing if the bot automatically changes spec??

 

Hapie, Thanks for the follow up. I answered the question regarding InstanceBuddy in my prior response quoted above. The only thing missing from that is the toon must have trained Dual Spec to allow switching specs. I have not tried with DungeonBuddy, but you can check it easy enough by changing to a DPS spec and using DungeonBuddy while queueing only as Healer. If it doesn't switch specs and you believe it should, you'll want to post in HonorBuddy Support Issues forum and be sure to attach your log file. Switching specs would be the responsibility of the Bot so isn't something that I would be adding to ShamWOW or anticipate being added to any CC. Thanks for the post, Bobby53

 

Once again Bobby, Thanks again for a super fast response, I just tried it with IB and when i joined it reckongnised I was in the wrong spec, And it automatically changed

Thanks so much for the great Custom Class, Level 42 shaman and growing fast

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I can answer this from my end. Using ShamWoW as soon as I hit 85, with mediocre gear. I ran normals first (before ilvl 329) and ShamWoW RIPPED through my mana like crazy. Most of the boss fights I could not last, trash is fine, as long as you take a mana break after EVERY fight. OOM half-way boss fights is what I have to endure :/
Then I got ilvl 330. I was afraid to do a HC, because at this ilvl doing Normals I still tear through mana and could not heal everyone. But, tried a hc anyway; the Throne of the Tides. Well... half way through the fight with Lady Nazyar (or something) I went OOM and the group wiped. They kicked me out of the group because I had to drink after every fight. Tank said he said I had to get better gear because I could not heal them properly, and he was right. I tried fiddling with ShamWoW settings, but mana is gone before you blink twice. Especially Healing Surge (8K mana) drains my 75K mana like crazy.

So in short; can you heal with ShamWoW? Yes, but in Normals and HC with low gear, prepare to drink after every fight and hope for a very strong group. I have not tried CLU or Noobrage yet, but I doubt they will handle this better. If anyone has a suggestion on how to use ShamWoW / Resto Shamans to heal properly without going OOM, let me know

/edit: using the recommended spec for Resto Shamans and reforged all gear to get a lot of Spirit. ShamWoW settings default for party (disabled pet healing). Later lowered the use of Healing Surge, because that one mainly drains my mana. Chain heal is better but is not used that often, so lowered that to two members. Still could not sustain mana.

 

How did you lower the usage of people required for Chain heal? I've checked all over the Shamwow settings etc but i still can't find it.

 

There's a setting called "Chain Heal target minimum" and i changed that to 2.

 

Soeski, Thanks very much for the thorough and considered reply. I'm sure you know, but mention for other forum members that may not... The intense mana consumption is due to Cataclysm mechanics which were designed by Blizz to put Healer mana at a premium. I suggest healing manually as a new 85 equipping in a majority of Greens if there are any questions whether it is the CC causing you to go OOM or simply the way the game is designed. Ever notice party members leaving immediately upon joining a level 85 dungeon and wondering why they would leave given the 30 minute penalty for doing so? They bail due to seeing their tank or healer equipped with inferior gear and simply not wanting to work that hard or move that slow as will be required to accommodate them being in the group. There is no spell priority or rotation that makes up for low level gear, otherwise players with an average item level in the 330's would be allowed to run Dragon Soul. Basically, this is a difficult period for a healer that will require patience and a focus upon acquiring pieces that will help.

However, you mention having to drink after each fight when healing Cata Dungeons in Normal mode as well as Heroic. Heroics yes as I described above, but that shouldn't be the case for Normals. Please be sure to attach a log file if you feel this occurs as the strain placed upon the healer in Heroics is much much greater than that in Normal.

I'll take a look at config numbers to assess New Resto 85's and whether another preset button is needed, but a couple quick tips for new Resto 85's doing 5-mans:

1. Make sure you spec Telluric Currents. Also recommend NOT taking Focused Insight
2. ALWAYS carry mana potions and lots of drinks, no exception.
3. Manually use buff food to boost your Intellect or Spirit. Don't set this as the food/drink to use in Settings
4. Purchase pieces off AH (JP wrists/boots are usually cheap)
5. Grind battlegrounds for PVP gear. It is critical for helping players bridge the gap from being a fresh 85 to reaching the point you can do Heroics and LFR.
6. Decrease the use of Healing Surge in favor of Greater Healing Wave will result in more mana efficiency. At low Spell Power numbers this will result in more available mana, but can also yield more deaths if the tank is at all squishy due to the longer cast time. Be careful as nobody will think wiping with available mana is any better than wiping at OOM.
7. Decreasing the number of targets required for Chain Heal in 5-mans results in less mana efficiency. Decreasing for 25-man raids is fine only because of the likelihood that by the time the cast finishes there will be several other players within hop distance that will also require healing. That isn't the case in 5-mans.

I'll take a look healing again as a fresh 85 and see what adjustments may help, but ultimately it will also depend upon the groups gear, the groups ability to not stand in AoE soaking in damage, etc. My suggestion is to upgrade your gear in preparation for 5-mans to make that process smoother whether you play manually or bot assisted.

Thanks for the post and good luck with your Shaman, Bobby53

@All ShamWOW Users: If posting about going OOM or any other issue for that matter in association with ShamWOW, be certain to provide a complete debug log. There are too many factors associated with game play for a post detail to be useful in improving ShamWOW or relating specifics about the scenario encountered.

 

Spanishguy, Sorry I missed your post earlier. ShamWOW employs shield management techniques that differ based upon your current spec and current botting environment ( PVP, Instances, Solo, etc. ) Please see the ShamWOW Frequently Asked Questions [CLICK HERE] and look for the FAQ on Shield Twisting which explains this more. Changes will also occur in this area for PVP in the next release. Thanks for the post, Bobby53

 

Bobby, thanks for the very elaborate reply. It somewhat proves me right in a way that ShamWoW, or Resto Shamans in general, burn mana like mad when they're low geared. I did not notice this earlier when my Druid and Priest started healing; they were actually quite ok mana wise. The main reason I started healing with my Enhancement Shaman is the queue timers for dungeons. As DPS they take anywhere from 8-20 minutes, as healer usually only 3 or even instantly. I tried both with and without Lazyraider-Framelock btw, there is no noticeable difference in performance. Both work fine.
I'll have a look at my spec and will try to gather gear ASAP, because at higher ilvls the Resto Shaman is the only one in LFR who does not ever have mana problems and ends full mana every fight...
Also I did interpret the Chain Heal option differently as to what you are saying (I assumed making me more mana efficient with earlier Chain Heals).
Thanks for your quick reply and suggestions, will try them out ASAP!

/edit: Bobby, I'm Riptide specced but this is not configured in Party healing. (I did that later on). I do not have Telluric Currents specced... could this make a lot of difference? Haven't tried this yet.

 

Soeski, If you set Riptide % to a non-zero value, it is cast as a direct heal in the same fashion as other spells. The defaults intentionally leave it set to zero so ShamWOW can reserve Riptide casts for use in buffing Tidal Waves (if that option is set), rolling it for mana regen if you have the T12 2pc bonus, or to buff the initial target of a Chain Heal. My recommendation is for users to stick with default values until fully understanding not just Restoration Shaman mechanics but also how ShamWOW supports them based upon the gear, talent spec, glyphs, and configuration that is active.

There was one change I had been planning to make for some time and just finished for the next release. The default % for Healing Surge will be calculated dynamically. Previously it was set as an average value that tried to strike a compromise between what was needed while leveling a character and what was needed after reaching higher levels. As with most compromises it ended up not being entirely satisfactory for either end of the spectrum. The determining factor for what health % to cast Healing Surge is whether Greater Healing Wave is available or not. If you don't have Greater Healing Wave trained yet, it will increase the Healing Surge default to 60%, which is needed at lower levels so you cast the only big heal you have sooner. After training Greater Healing Wave, it will set Healing Surge % to the Oh Shoot Heal % + 1. It will track whether this has been done for your character yet and only perform this step one time. The default values assigned when using the button in Class Config will also be dynamically determined based upon the presence / absence of GHW. The result should be improved survival while leveling and improved mana efficiency after GHW is learned. Other than this adjustment of the default Healing Surge number, I don't see much room for improvement for new 85's at the moment as it pertains to the Default Party healing %'s. So prior to the new version becoming available, for characters that have Greater Healing Wave trained you may want to set Party Healing Surge % to 31 (assuming Party Oh Shoot % is at 30.)

As with all things, your spec can make a tremendous difference in your results. The Telluric Currents talent was originally intended by Blizz to be mana neutral, but it can be an effective way to generate mana. It's effectiveness as a source of mana regen increases as your stats increase due to buffs / gear.

The key thing to remember regarding TC is that the mana returned is based upon the damage done by the Lightning Bolt cast. If it misses, you get 0 mana back. If it hits, you get 40% of the damage. At higher Intellect levels achieved through high gear levels and raid buffs, your Lightning Bolt damage will increase to a point where you achieve a good return without having to use a Telluric Current specific build ( such as WoW Talent Calculator - Sigrie .) As a new 85, you may want the Elemental Precision talent also so your Lightning Bolts miss chance decreases since at lower mana return levels you cannot afford many misses. Mana is returned only on damage done, not overkill. This is important since if you try on a Training Dummy a lot of damage will be overkill and you will see no mana generated. This is also an example of why Training Dummies are better used for a human fine motor skill / GUI monitoring practice with their DPS rotation than for measuring a CC's performance in a dungeon/raid.

ShamWOW is designed to do the best it can with the character you give it and will take advantage of Telluric Currents if specced. For users that report going OOM and submit a log file, the first thing I check is whether they specced TC or not. If you would like to learn more about Telluric Currents see the article at ( Making Telluric Currents Work for You | Life in Group 5 - A Resto Shaman Blog ) If you encounter any issues ShamWOW or your mana consumption, please be sure to attach a log file from your experiences following the steps from the FAQ.

Thanks for the post and good luck with your Shaman, Bobby53

Edit: Telluric Currents will be of little to no use if you run with an aggressive group that provides no breaks in combat to cast Lightning Bolt. If there is no break during combat where you aren't required to cast a heal due to the Tank chain pulling multiple groups and the tank isn't sufficiently geared to handle you will only have time to cast heals and end up OOM regardless of what you do. Tank will need to consider not just his gear but healers also when setting the pace for the instance. I just ran Normal Lost City of Tol'Vir. I had an average Item Level of 300 with a tank in a mix of Normal and Heroic blues, so probably about a 330 avg item level. DPS was geared about like me. I was getting around 1600 mana on LB's and 3200+ on LB's that crit. LB was costing 1400, while not through the roof regen it beat having no additional mana regen. I ran OOM once in final boss fight due to group not being familiar with fight (not running out of AoE damage, not killing adds.)

 

Ty for this CC

 

thanks for you reply and awesome CC !