Players Botting But why would Blizzard ban bots? They have a active subscription and pay money. Why would any company reduce their own income on purpose? It doesn't make sense... Allthough I don't like so many bots either. But for them to actualy ban most of them, and lose out on so much money from the botter's subscription.. Would they realy do that. I don't know. I think Nevalistis summed this up quite well: This is one of the biggest misconceptions we have, and I genuinely wish we could permanently clear it up. I'll provide a few hypothetical situations (mind you, these numbers are ENTIRELY made up). Let's say 90% of botters were compromised accounts. This means that 90% of these botters aren't paying accounts; they're stolen accounts, which are generally fueled by stolen credit cards. These payments usually get disputed and taken back, which actually costs us money. If we're looking to make a purely fiscal observation, it makes no financial sense to let these continue (aside from the fact that we don't like compromised accounts to begin with - we want our players to be playing their own accounts safely and enjoyably). Let's go on the other side of the fence and say 90% of these botters were otherwise legitimate players paying for their accounts, as you purport. When players bot, other players are inconvenienced by this behavior (and trust me, you guys outnumber the botters, even if you may feel it's the other way around). The inconveniences range from normal players having difficulty farming on their own to struggling to keep up with an economy that's being forcibly fluctuated via unfair advantage. When players are inconvenienced in this manner, they submit petitions. Every petition submitted goes to a Game Master for review. A living, breathing person that is paid to provide customer service looks over it, does what's necessary for the situation (in botting cases, usually forwarding the info on to our exploitation/hacks team), and provides a response. Let's say 1-2 people are inconvenienced by a single botter (in all likelihood, we probably get many more petitions per botter than that). This would mean each botter is inconveniencing at least as many, and likely more, players that are positive to the community (the kinds of players we like and want to continue to play our game). For each botter we allow to continue botting, we potentially stand to lose more than we gain for a single subscription, just out of the sheer inconvenience it causes other players. Even if you change those numbers around of legitimate players versus compromised accounts - we only stand to lose more if we don't take action on bots (which we do, regularly). And that's probably the problem. If I can stand in front of a guy who's botting who has about as many achievement points as me, then the only reason why he dares to bot is because he does not feel there is a risk of losing anything by doing so. And the worst part is that right now it's difficult to say that he isn't right. Those who choose to believe they are above detection range far and wide, I?m sure. Possibly because they may have been getting away with it for a time. However, we investigate every single bot report that comes in. We don't usually deal with the reports immediately because the underlying issue would remain in place. What we do is study the bots, see exactly how they do what they do, and fix it so that they don?t work anymore. Once we?ve applied the fix, then the ban waves take place. By doing it like this, we can also come up with better methods of detection, and devise systems that are more effective against bot detection and removal. Having said that, it's an on-going fight. Botters develop new bots by working out what we detected and fixed, and it starts all over again. In the process, we?ve ruled out one way of cheating the system though. I can?t go into much more detail without providing botters with information that would help them (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
if this is the same programe what Jagax did with RuneScape then it's an big money lose! :3 who did ask the questions?
Whats the point of stopping botters? Technically, we're just people(Most of us), that wants a char leveled up, to gain access to the end-game without the need to use our time on leveling up a char. I don't say it's wrong that we farm and make money out of that - I do that myself. However, I do feel bad for those persons that farms the mats themselves. But again, it's an individual thing. Do you wanna spend 2 hours on farming yourself, or use a program for it? I guess most of us thinks farming are rather boring, and time consuming, and therefore reach out to use a program that makes it easier to make gold. One thing I personally think is over the line is to use multiple accounts and then keep farming them to gain a really big amount of gold to sell to others for real money. That do ruin the game. But to farm 2-3 hours a day one a single char to make gold for yourself is okay, and wont hurt anybody. As written above; It's basically about whether you want to use 3 hours yourself, or get some help for it.
But the most botters are making mondy from it. And they are realy bad for the economy an that sever, maybe not if there are 1 or 2 big botters an the same sever but if there are more then that the prices will go down fast!
Tbh WoW's economy is built around botters. It has to be. If a new expansion was launched and there were zero botters then everything would go to shit.
theres really nothing new, its the same thing over and over, they need us, and we need them. its thats simple.
but is it true that with every new expansion that there are tons of new botters trying to makign an living from it but after an month stopping because it's harder then it's looks lik ? it's the same with the game RuneScape. there are tons of botters and now they have an anti-bot script and allot of botters are stopping because they are afraid but they don't bann more. but because there are so many botters are stopping they are losing tons of money and now you need to pay for many little things lik extra banks space "cool"looking things
He has a point, if you thought the prices have been crazy now with the release of MoP, imagine how it would have been without all the bots driving down the prices.
It is hard to imagine that bots (especially economy bots) aren't an actual part of blizzard's business plan. Botted accounts have to number in the hundreds of thousands, of maybe 4 million total north american and european region accounts,. THey know that if they let botting be marginally profitable or better, then they will have a decent re-purchase of account keys on accounts they do ban. You don't decapitate your sheep for the wool, you sheer it periodically and let it grow back. Furthermore, and this still boggles my mind, the reason gold can be sold to sellers is because there is genuine demand for it from retail buyers. There presumably are players who might not keep playing if they couldn't buy enough gold easily for x dollars to buy the things they don't want to put time into. The vanilla-account face-to-face ban wihtout any followup on the sourrce of the gold, to me, reads like a gold-selling TAX. They know very well when they ban the brand new vanilla seller account, they are leaving the player's entire farming structure intact. I imagine there are very large farms owned by people who don't post here or don't discuss that aspect of things which have literally hundreds of bots. If you have the capital, time, and know-how to deal with the hardware and software issues, it seems pretty obvious. BG bots are another matter entirely - they actively piss off human players in a way economy botting rarely can or does. I think the per-bot negative impact on player experience from them must be multiples if not exponentially higher than farming bots. If blizzard wanted to go to war against bots, there would be very few left in a short period of time. TO me, all of their actions over the lsat few years say they are going out of their way to accomodate botting and not essentially fire retail bot customers too aggressively. the vendorable items in MOP from gems and ink which put a floor under both while still leaving room for upside, to me, are custom-made for botters, along with the huge number of spawns in the new zones. you can farm hundreds of stacks, vendor the crafted by-products of the lower value items, and keep the rare items/styarlight ink and do something else with it to try to get further upside.
