[No need to jump all over me here, I love HB as much as the next guy and I think I'm a level-headed person, certainly not trolling.] (Sad that I have to open with that) I've been reading the forums for days really focusing on anything regarding NEW bans. More often than not, the user states he was using Kick's questing. There really are a bunch of these. I'm not suggesting that Kick's questing is the problem in so much as I don't think it's doing anything EXCEPT doing what it's supposed to, and therein lies the problem. If I'm blizzard, I've bought HB and run it, analyzed it, and taken notice of the linear, predictable progression that, for example, Kick's routine takes the bot through. As Blizzard, I'm now creating a tool of my own that analyzes new toons on new accounts and searches for advancement of characters within the parameters I expect from, only as an example, Kick's routine. I'm afraid I think this should be fairly easy to do. At the end of the day, these questing routines are very linear, extremely predictable, and if you are looking for it, easy to find by matching known criteria to expected behavior. I suppose everyone should remember that these are BOTs, and in so being they are robotic, thus non-human, and such things make it easy to target especially when you know what to expect if you already have, for example, Kick's routine in hand. Once detected, as Blizzard, I'd auto-ban you too, along with associated accounts that are stored in your \WTF folder. And then, IF you attempt to convince me I'm wrong, I would check other information possibly available to me at Blizzard. I'm comfortable stating that I'm sure Blizzard can look in the WTF folder and see which and how many accounts are there. I wouldn't be surprised to know that the log file on THEIR side includes this information every time you log on. But I really think that many are getting caught only because their advancement matches known criteria. I'm not saying this is the ONLY way, but it has to be one of their ways. I've been botting for 3 years without a ban, which doesn't mean I won't get one today, but I've spent a lot of time watching the Battle.net app, trying to catch error reports and what have you on Wow.exe crashes, just to say that I've spent a lot of time asking myself how they can detect me. I've had my share of scares with GMs popping up and a warning once about my AH use (or abuse), but no action. I've always felt it was about the automation, the repetitivess, the non-human behavior, that was the easiest to find as has been pointed out in BG trains, for example. What do you think?