[Discussion] Botting efficiency and build theorycrafting

Background

I've been playing & botting poe for 3~ weeks. I know some of you have been doing this forever and this might not be any new information. I just wanted to discuss some of the things I've tried and the results of each and possibly discuss with experienced or other new players.

In these couple of weeks I've botted 4 level 90~ builds: Cyclone Juggernaut, Bladeflurry Assassin, Flameblast Elementalist and Vaal Spark Inquisitor.
Again, I'm pretty new to poe so my criteria for choosing these so far have been watching some videos and looking at the fun factor and clear speed.

But before any discussion I guess we have to reconcile our goals.

Botting Objectives
I've thought of some potential objectives that someone who bots exilebuddy might have, including my own. Feel free to add to this.

• You run multiple instances of exilebuddy and just want a relatively fast clearing, non expensive, easy to maintain build that works on its own consistently
  
• You run just 1 instance of exilebuddy and just want to earn additional currency while you're not playing yourself. Clear speed might be important but you're not too concerned that the bot survives higher maps
  
• You find botting fun, just like min maxing in the game itself, and you want to see how much the bot can actually do.

I have to say my own goal aligns with the third objective. So for me this discussion means discovering a build that can achieve decent clear speed, even at higher level maps, and not dying so much that your xp gain is 0, even with chicken.

Common Issues

• Not moving out of breach skills: i.e. fire tornado and lightning orb. I noticed that the default bot and Alcor75PlayerMover does not move out of breach skills. Please let me know if there is something else out there that does this. For now, either having enough life leech or something like one cast of vaal discipline will outlast these skills once, afterwhich hopefully it is recharged or you don't sit in another one.
  
• Not moving out of normal postmortem effects: Such as when the mobs explode in various ways after death. Chicken deals with this if you have enough health pool.
  
• Breach performance: Sometimes it gets so bad in the breach your character just doesn't do anything or does things too slow. I've taken the suggestions to reduce the number of rules in AIF and this seems to have helped.
  
• Backtracking: This may not be an issue at all, please correct me if I'm wrong. I know the bot by default explores a certain % of the map then goes to the boss room. Sometimes it appears this leads to backtracking, which wastes time with respect to the clearspeed objective. Not sure if there is a way to make it do the boss room as it finds it, and continue on exploring.
  
  Other than that I haven't had too many issues common to all the builds I've tried. Some of them I've had to fiddle with a lot to get the behaviour how I want it, i.e. timing of vaal skills, but I find if you put enough effort into this its not a huge problem.
  
  Also the bot will run into unexpected situations from time to time. Chicken works most of the time for this, unless there is huge burst damage. It would be nice if we could specify chicken by threshold and/or % of pool damage taken per period time, but not sure if that is do-able. A lot of builds run cwdt + immortal call anyway

Below are my own experiences with the build I mentioned above, feel free to keep reading, discuss and add your own experiences. Again I picked these without knowing much about the game, and looking at the results only.

Cyclone Juggurnaut
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Bladeflurry CI Assassin
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Flameblast Elementalist
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Crit spark/vaal spark Inquisitor
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Crit spark/vaal spark Inquisitor - t2 map chaos recipe farming
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Good post and ideas. I am not sure of any plugins that can help dodge breach skills, or the on death effects. Current breach performance sucks for all builds I have played. Also it can even suck when not using the bot. So adding on the bot makes the issue even more prevalent.

For cyclone, I personally found the nagamanahanamaju axe good. The on hit effect is great for single target, I think the downside of cyclone is single target dps. You can also try added in a warchief totem for single target to cast only one rare/unique mobs. I am doing tier 9/10 a bit quicker than you are but similar results.

 

i can advise skillaware player mover,its really good for breach with proper setup

 

Woops missed that, yes I use the skillaware mover, I think it dodges some special attacks, but cannot skip/dodge everything. In the description I think it discusses this a bit.

 

Yep tested that out and it moves from the fire tornado and lightning spiders in breach. Cool.

 

My goal is pretty much just botting my one account when im not playing and I also like really like botting in general and see how far you can push it. Its not even like I need the currency or anything anymore, just doing it for the fun and min maxing by now.

Right now Im doing a cycloner "mathil build" but a Berserker instead of Raider, t11 maps so far is fine but I dont have the perfect flask setups etc yet for defence. My cyclone dps tooltip with a 5 link with Increased AoE gem is 55k + the damage from the axe the bosses dies very fast. Avarage time per map is around 6 min usually.

 

Im able to do T12 deathless in 5:50 avg map time using hiltless build Forum - Marauder - [2.5] HiltLess CWDT Berserker Build. I Hurt Myself today.. To proc my CWDT... - Path of Exile Im now lvl 94.

No expensive flasks- 3 hp pots, quick silver and an atziri flask

Still very strong with 5Ls but i have 6l carcass and hiltless.

Items dont need defenses other than max life & res so im easily overcapped... 7100 HP wearing 1-5C rares I could probably upgrade, likely add life leech or rares with more +max life

Dont do the "scolds variant" it doesnt work well with the bot, it will die. If you want to be more tanky use a belly of the beast instead of carcass. you dont really need the radius from carcass honestly.

I think i can add in some other T13/14s but i have to go through them and see what the bot can and cant do. High gardens will kill you for example because the laser i suppose doesnt count as a hit or something, makes it so you never proc Cloaked in Savagery.

The tree they have is not bad but i get more life by going into templar instead of going all up into witch and shit. The furthest i go over there is to get Vaal Pact.

We could definitely do more bosses if bot could swap gems- like changing increased aoe into conc.

This build can do everything except phys ref and no leech maps

 

What routine settings are you using with that build?

 

Just oldroutine combat range 70 max melee range 35 and aoe/single target melee set on 3

 

Are you copying that build exactly? Including the usage of ancestral protector? I leveled a marauder up to try this out. He's 78 right now and clears through t7 fine, and I can manually take him up to 14, but anything in-between is not bottable (without getting dumpstered). Not sure what I'm missing...

 

I think i might've gotten divination distillate working partially on spark build. This one ran assassin's mark so the leech doesn't happen until the kill, and should work sometimes when vinktar is down. Added build to first post, will add other people's builds in replies when I have time.

 

Is there a guide to this build from scratch? Starting from level 1?

 

howa builds have potential to clear maps fast and with very cheap gear , int stacking is op atm try it while it lasts

 

Nah no totem. I run fortify in my hiltless all the time though.

 

Running TS/LA doing average 3½ min runs t9 max

 

Tried this too. Was good when set up to offscreen, but yup, around t9 max (deathless I mean). Dies too often to get higher than 95 or so.

 

Any updates? Past 94 yet? T13/14 deathless?

 

Whats the reason to go higher?

 

To help reach high end content easier and beat it without too many problems. A bot getting up to high levels in high level maps shows the build can get you there. Some people want that.

 

doing T12-T13 maps at lvl 72 relativly deathless right now with

Forum - Witch - [2.5] Pentagolem Hellfire - How to play PoE while watching TV(Shaper/Guardians) - Path of Exile

quite expensive tho, but really good and safe