Thanks for the suggestions Beast, most of those should be implemented now! New version pushed to the SVN; subtlety should be raid worth now, sans shadowstep. I'm getting higher DPS than assassination on some fights, and lower on others. Note if you use this CC against the training dummy your performance will be significantly worse than in a raid environment -- this is due to the mechanics of the subtlety talking Honour Amongst Thieves. I highly recommend enabling cooldown control by focus if you're playing this spec.
would be nice if you could implement auto add poison. Sometimes in raid, im like.. wth, not attacking, or not doing dmg... and o sjizz... no poisons. thanks again for the nice cc.
in addition to this is it possible to add in a feature that if current target is casting stop wait 1 second then cast feint that would be pro as hell
Hey folks thanks for the feedback, new version coming soon with an further improved sub PvE spec and a combat PvE spec.
Snappy comeback, and why is that? I have had SUB as PvE and PvP, and in PvP Sub IS the best to use since they got Shadow Dance and Shadow Step for one thing. And in PvE it is not performing as good as, for example, Assassination, and that is now my main spec PvE. I have tried both for a loooong time mate and Assassination can put out around 6-10k more on bosses for me, so how am I wrong? on a rading training dummy I can produce about 22-23k after 10mill dmg done in assassination, and about 18-19k with sub, so how am I wrong? Thing is, you aint provided me with and fact, nor a reason to why, just the hate. Good one.. Atm I am tryin Assassination as PvP (Arena and in sum cases BG's) and it is a good PvP class, but like I said before (if you bother to read my posts) I miss the Shadow Dance and Shadow Step in that spec. How ever, in DS I do about 43-45k on, let say Ultraxxion in Assassination, concidering you have the Cold Blood and the Vendetta buff in your rotation, and about 30 as a Sub, so how am I wrong? If you can carry on a conversation in a fashionable sence, I can gladly do so with you, but if you just gonna pop back I am a noob or that I know nothing about the rogue's, then please, open a thread for that, and slash me, not in here. I am not mad nor am I angry atm, just asking why you say I am wrong? I know the rotation is hard to execute in Sub spec, but if you do, and can keep rupture at a nice 5CP pop along with SnD, then you can mash it with shadow dance and shadow step, backstab or ambush, and go on and on and on.. but, as on Death Wing is DS and on Ultraxxion, doin so will get you killed since you fall down. So, at those bosses, you can't be maxed out, which sucks tbh. And Ultraxxion is a pretty much tank n spank boss where your only concern is the Hour of Twilight button. Rest is just nuke. Which, i.m.o, make the Assassination the best PvE spec atm, if you do the end game rading, which I hope and Combat aint that good to back it up with since they dont use dual daggers with a good exceution. (thinking of the legendary daggers which I am currently rocking in Sub and Ass spec) And, in Arena, a Sub Rogue is hard to kill if you know what the hell you doin. I currently team up with another Sub Rogue and do dual Sub and it is close to flawless due to multiple sap, kidney shot, cheap shot, pre med, recuperate, vanish, shadow step, shadow dance and so on. In BG's, I perform way better as a Sub than in Assassination spec, and I am then refereing to the above said. But, since Fifthy is doin the BG in this CC I'd thought I'd try that out and it actually works good, but still missing an extra vanish and the shadowstep. But, Assassination PvP (and PvE, thou it aint that usable in PvE boss or trash fights) comes with a free crippling poison apply if you spec in that, which makes it lethal since you can add two pure dmg poisons on daggers and saaaaay mind numbing on thrown and rock with that. I usually use Wound on MH and Crippling on OH and then what ever the fight req on thrown as a Sub. If I spec in Assassination for PvP I use Instant on MH and Deadly on OH, and also Deadly on Thrown (this is because of the free Crippling add that I can get) This is what I, ME, ICH, JAG, think is the pros n cons of the specs. And, to sum this post off I can say that from what I have experienced I get more dmg from Assassination than Subtlety in PvE ( I am rocking away at 397 in ilvl PvE and PvP, so aint got low gear either that brings the dmg down) So, that is my opinion.. Now, the ball is in your court... // M
not really going to read all that ... im happen to be rocking a 407 rogue and I can say sub destroys all fights (heroic that is) while it may not be the preferd spec for some, it non the less rapes where you are wrong is "in PvE, it aint the best to use," just an opinion thats all ... in the end lets keep this about muta and help fifty out // B
Once you obtain fangs and begin heroic gear assassination falls below both combat and sub. The assassination rotation is much less complex and much more forgiving than sub which requires very well managed cooldown use but that's not why any of us should be here. None the less play what YOU like.... Personally I prefer assassination & sub over combat hence why I use those two specs (400 equipped ilvl). Anyway whole reason I came here in the first place is to ask if there is a delay timer in the combat control or if there is a possibility of it just not being responsive at anytime. Reason I ask is due to it will continue to spam FoK even once turned off for some reason from time to time. I've also noticed that while in sub spec it tends to refuse to cast tricks (my focus is always the tricks target) as well as in assassination gets hung up and cycles trying to cast tricks then just moves on back to the normal rotation.
No, coming soon. No, after changing some code I forgot to reimplement the check for the AoE option in the UI. It does nothing right now. I'll get a new version posted later today which fixes that. Tricks has a lower priority in the subtlety rotation right now for testing purposes, it will be changed when the rotation is complete. This shouldn't happen, what you're probably seeing is the CC spamming rupture when the remaining rupture time is < 1 second but because the current rupture has more ranks it can't apply. This is a very low priority fix for me because it only ~very rarely~ results in being energy capped but I'll get around to fixing it once I've finished more important stuff. Thanks for the feedback!
Pushed a new major version to the SVN! Changelog is in the OP, brief version is raid support for all three specs, racials/glove enchants added, and some new UI options. I haven't tried it, so I couldn't say.
Ofc it isn't better (just kidding btw, Fiftypence is one hardcore coder & a consultant on the LazyRaider CCs) Fifty, i got a request! I need the CC to be able to brew me coffee!
just looked through the sub raid code and didnt notice eng gloves ... how ever the CC is using the gloves, it was my understanding that the eng gloves should ony be used RIGHT after shadow dance (given they have the same CD time of 1min) let me know if that is not optimal
PHP: Helpers.Specials.UseSpecialAbilities(ret => Helpers.Spells.IsAuraActive(StyxWoW.Me, "Shadow Dance") || Helpers.Spells.GetSpellCooldown("Shadow Dance") > 0) It will use trinkets, gloves, and racials with Shadow Dance if it is not on cooldown, or if Shadow Dance is on cooldown. As it works out, since gloves and Shadow Dance share the same cooldown, and gloves are used right before Shadow Dance, they will always be used with Shadow Dance.
