Enough with the detection discussions!

#1 I have family that works for Blizzard and family that used to work for Blizzard. I cant exactly go and ask just anyone in Blizzard for information on Wardens functions/methods, but i CAN ask people who have made headway into hands on research. Thats where private server devs start to come in, as well as a couple of friends of mine who used to play WoW with me back in Cata.

#2 Ehh, if you hang around the right private server devs long enough youll learn things about (previous) versions of Warden. One pserver actually used Warden with version 5.0.4 Its not exactly difficult to find out basic information about how Warden works just reading private server forums for long enough. Pre WOD Warden (presuming theres been any changes since i believe 5.1, the last version that community managed to get Warden working as is), is pretty well understood. All you have to do is look for the information. In addition, various 335a servers were using Warden for a couple years. Obviously im not going to go linking to threads on other forums. Warden is part of the client, and its also a bunch of server side functions. Warden itself isnt a "program" in the traditional sense, i dont think. Yes, its a process, however theres more to Warden than that process in a task list.

3# No argument there

#4 Its possible yes, but still rather unlikely unless Blizzard wants or has dedicated at least a bloc to logging. Theres a metric fuckton of events per second on any given server. Id estimate in the hundreds of thousands per second, for high pop CRZ. Thats ALOT of CPU power taken up by logging, if the logs are close enough to real time to get any cut and dry evidence of bot-like movement, or strings of objectives. I dont think they do it, but i could be wrong. Even if they do i highly doubt they have real time logs. I suppose they could log only specific quests taken/done, general coordinate data, etc, to paint a picture. Its not like that wouldnt be pretty convincing to a reasonable person. Its just that the more concrete a case they want out of their logs, the more CPU its gonna take to make those logs. Sure they could only log for accounts that are flagged for possible cheating. That wouldnt take nearly as much CPU power, and may even be able to be done with overhead depending on the population count/realm activities/etc.

#5 Tied to #4, and yes, ive been thinking that its more likely that whatever logging/other form of information they work with points them to a conclusion of repetition and efficiency thats reasonably considered non human. Obviously botting in battlegrounds or for gathering results in less overall data to sift through to come to a conclusion. HB is a computer program, it does what its told to do. Theres inherently the weakness of being repetitive in the manner in which it completes tasks. Even minor nuances such as taking a different route to each node of your gathering route can tip the odds in favor of Blizzard thinking its a human behind the actions, not a bot.

#6 I didnt state that my botting activities are undetectable, i said HB the program isnt being reported to Blizzard as a detection of a cheat/bot/hack/whatever program. From what ive heard HB hooks into Direct X and issues commands to the client via Direct X. Same as your computer would send keystrokes to a game via SDL.

#7 Ehh, only thing i set out to prove was that the HB community, in general, isnt giving the dev team anything of value to work with. Before we as a community can pitch in any actual help, first we need to understand what were up against and how it all works. Thank you for responding with actual counterarguments instead of the same tired "its speculation cause everyone says so" approach.

Edit: Interesting note.
15 B. WHEN THE GAME IS RUNNING, BLIZZARD MAY OBTAIN CERTAIN IDENTIFICATION INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR COMPUTER, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR HARD DRIVES, CENTRAL PROCESSING UNIT, IP ADDRESS(ES) AND OPERATING SYSTEM(S), FOR PURPOSES OF IMPROVING THE GAME AND/OR THE SERVICE, AND TO POLICE AND ENFORCE THE PROVISIONS OF ANY BLIZZARD AGREEMENT.

Completely unenforceable in any US court of law. Theres no guideline of what "purposes of improving the game and/or the service" are. Thats not legal grounds in Blizzards favor, it puts the consumer at an unfair disadvantage if Blizzard were to actually utilize that clause.

 

Well two weeks ago blizzard permabanned a shortly reactivated account from me. The special about this was. I did not used HB with is ever. There was no reason to ban this account, but they did. I tried to get my acc back, but blizzard is not willing just to discuss this out! I got before a six month ban on another account (that was ok coz of HB use on it) So I had an old copy oh HB on my harddisks. For me it seems simply clear they just scanned my HDs for HB und banned me just coz of this. I will never again play any blizzard games in my life!

 

Did you change your IP/MAC? Did you use the same personal information on the new account? Same payment method? Any similarities between the two accounts? Warden hasnt (at least according to people who have dug into Warden) scanned outside WoWs RAM/process space since either original or TBC.

 

Ahhh, the old "I know people who work for Blizzard, thus I know everything and you don't...so there" argument.

Well I also know someone who works at Blizzard, and he tells me the sole reason there are so many people being banned lately is because these people cannot properly use the words lose/loose in a sentence.

True story.

 

Thats not even close to what i said. As i mentioned in a previous post, the only information i have gotten from my uncle is that his conclusion is the characters exhibit behavior that doesnt seem human like. That kind of thing is one of the main reasons BGs are in the top 3 "risky things to do with HB." I have no need to lie about having a relative that works for Blizzard since the only information ive gained from that source is something that is commonly warned about in these very forums. That information is valid and theres no need for any fabrications about talking to Blizzard employees ...

My technical knowledge regarding Warden comes from knowing private server devs as well as having friends who work in the field of internet security, and are able to reverse engineer and pick apart a program. I have learned all of nothing i didnt already guess, from my uncle.

If youre gonna post, at least say something reasonable.

 

I quoted your post, claiming you have a family member in Blizzards ranks. Here it is again, in case you missed it the first time:

And let me post something reasonable...

There is a high likelihood that the words lose and/or loose will be used in an inappropriate context before the next full moon.

That is a reasonable statement.

You're welcome.

 

Now youre being an idiot. What was unreasonable was saying that i was claiming that my case regarding Wardens technical details is automatically true because i speak to a Blizzard employee. I responded by pointing out that i NEVER claimed that. I never even claimed to get any technical information from my uncle.

That is not even close to what i said you little shit.

 

Thread closed due to degenerating beyond repair.
Please do not open another thread on this topic.

cj