Wake up and read and act on what the community really wants...

The only thing I strongly agree with is this:

I think this is a pretty huge thing to skip. You did good by releasing the documentation with 1.95.5 but this needs to be done with every single release. The developers release a new version and doesn't tell what has be changed, only what's been fixed. CC's break as well as plug-ins, threads get made "This doesn't work" with NO reply from a developer. Since there are only like two of you who know what the hell is what, people get lost and stop making. At least thats what happened for me. Developers have only released like 4 Documentations of HB functions over all releases, whitch when you think of it is ridiculous.

Just my opinion.

 

I know my way around a vBulletin pretty well. I don't think I've ever asked where anything is at. Unfortunately. Most people that bot don't. This site could be made so much better. I'd do it for free just so I wouldn't have to answer so many questions. Would take a day maybe two to GREATLY improve the functionality of this website.

1) Add DownloadsII addon instead of using the forums for downloads. A lot of people have never used the forums before when they come here. This
would add a tab called Downloads where the bot could be posted as well as profiles and custom classes and plugins.
2) Add vbSuporte Tabs Addon. You can then delete all tabs at the top of vBulletin and control and organize them even with drop down menus.
3) Add a way to properly IP ban persistant trouble makers. As of now. Bossland is the ONLY person I know of with enough access to get to the
vBulletin IP Ban list under General Settings in the Admin Panel. Yes mods can ip ban a single IP but unfortunately a lot of people have dynamic
ips and can just reset their modem and come back. In the admin panel you can wildcard or CDIR ban. Meaning you can add ip bans that look like
192.168.0.* which could ban extra people by accident or 192.168.0.1/28 which would be the more preferred way but would be by far the best
to avoid unneeded bans. Unfortunately for the second you would need someone that understand IPv4 Topology like myself on staff, or allow one
of them to be taught or learn on their own.
4) I'm sure I can think of more but this would be a start.

I have years of experience with vBulletin. I've been using it for years. I don't really care for it but I have my tricks and stuff for managing one. Including
core code improvement. If Bossland is interested I'd even be willing to trash my current personal vBulletin and build it there and just turn it over to him
as I know he doesn't like anyone but the data center touching the server at all.

Anyways just my two cents for the moment I just woke up

 

Would've been a great item to post in a suggestion, especially since you are not the first to mention this would be a good thing.

Thanks for posting here.
I'm sure it's read by those concerned.
I agree it's easy to "rebuild" some structures here to make things better.
But then there also has to be someone to make that effort.

Either way I'm sure those concerned read this too, and will decide on it.

 

Ok after following this thread for the last 2 days i think it's about time to add my constructive crit,
I agree with some of the points posted here so far but not all.

When i first started on these forums they where a lot easyer to navigate through and things could be found easily but as the comunity has grown and the bot has evolved this forum has not (to the extent it needed too) at the moment it is cluttered with posts and sections that dont always reflect each other.
As there is no clear place for every thing at the moment.

TBH i lvl'ed my only famer with this product back in january and was a guest on site before then till i decided this was the bot for me. Back then i pretty much hit download picked a profile and as was stated once set up correctly it took me 3 clicks to 80 (with very minor baby sitting) now as i read these forums seeing all the problems that are happening with the profiles and cc's from new releases (i know with new release bugs are expected but as stated by the op and others cc's and profile makers could of had a heads up on the changes) and all these bug reports am happy i lvl'ed mine when i did.

I have since tried to lvl another toon and at first did struggle with the setting up and finding a profile to use and i was not a new user was just a new toon with 6 months apart that i was trying to lvl. This was because there was no clear information for me to read anywhere at the time that said where i would get all this from with out searching everything over and over.

Don't get me wrong this bot still is in early stages (questing part of it and thus will be buggy) and i still can't fault it for my own current needs but if i did want to lvl another toon i would find my self back at square one again searching and searching for info and profiles and cc's etc...

Now going back to the comunity has grown it has but the team behind the comunity has not (not as much as is needed) as said by many in this thread there is just far too much work for the dev's modirators and the boss to keep on top of with out having more people as staff. Now i know from a business point of view this can be hard as you have to employ people that you trust and also have the best intrests of everyone who is involved not only intrests but these people also need the right skills to do the job. Am sure out of the comunity here if you where to ask for voluinteers people would help out where and when they could as my self i would not like to see this bot go under nor would most of it's users am sure.

Now to lay out some of the things that have been posted here and with a little explaination of why these are good (don't know how much of this is done as we don't see behind the secnes)

The idea of having a downloads section with everything in is by far the best thing this site could ever get i.e.
Downloads
-----|___ GB
-----|--|__GB Profiles
-----|____HB
--------|___HB Profiles
--------|___HB CC's
--------|___HB Plugins
Now i know that is a bit messy but you can all get the idea one place to find what we all need and then there could be a separate one for people requesting profiles and CC's rather than having them in the same part of the forum this forum would need a mod or some one to make sure only what is meant to be there is there.

Now the virtual table idea is by far the best idea in here as nothing will work the way it should with out comunication now am sure this is done already or this would not have lasted as long as it has there just needs to be a little more from what has been pointed out by main on here.

Well hope that gives you all another wall of txt to read

 

Thanks for your time in writing this up. It's informative and you have clear idea's of how things could be improved (if it's how it should be is up to the staff ofcourse).

 

i hope you register that half of the staff is / was on holidays as its summer, and we can just work very limited

i will be back home on 19th August and tune a bit the forum as a first action, also adding an Wiki

Bossland

 

Thanks bossland.
By the time you come back we will have some suggestions waiting for you all to discuss.
This has been mostly a healthy topic with good and bad points.
All in all I'm happy I took the step, and getting decent suggestions from everyone that cares.

 

The forums may need a bit of a modification and clean up i agree, but also in the Op you mention about how many users HB has and how they should spend money, well i will answer this since i have seen others post similar things along these lines before, unless i am missing some facts which are common knowledge to you, and the others i have seen post, i would of assumed that the amount of Honour buddy Users / gather buddy would be a private information, so all information about the number of buyers / users is pure speculation?.

As far as i can gather alot of the people who help to make honour buddy better, do it off there own back Mord / code name g etc, and some times they even get surly comments about there hard work.

Any way would like to see a few changes, one would be a a HOW TO SET UP INSTALL HONOUR BUDDY, it would have a list of operating systems it works on, and the information about the net frame work all on one post which got updated , a locked sticky thread.

 

Ill add another idea also, since HB is such a bargain of a product imo, i think that since every new release for patches etc, brings a new wave of complaints/ bugs, perhaps they should have a system in place, where they have a public Beta i know that the Devs have a beta prior to what most of us get from reading a reply earlier, so for example you load up Hb and when there is a new release, the authentication server will tell you theres a new release, and offer you the choice to download or continue.

The updated HB versions could be publicy tested for a period of time for say two weeks/ 14 days and bug reported / ironed out and then you have a choice of whether to use the latest version or stick with old version, if you choose to use the new version after say 2 weeks or prior you can make a small donation of say 1 pound, this donation funds could get split every half year between bossland/ devs / and the hardcre devoted CC makers/ plug in makers.

ill also add also split donations to the hard working moderators Tony - Ski.

Also A thumbs up for the epic warlock CC by Ski! and i think the drunk also helps! Really like this CC.

 

I never mentioned anything about how they should spend money (if I did please tell me where, then I forgot it myself ).
How many users GB/HB has is not really a speculation. I think it's safe to assume that the amount of registrars here on the forums equals (or even surpasses) the amount of bots running.
Maybe it's private information, maybe considered speculation, but I think it's not that far off the truth (and I really don't need to know the amounts).

Also as stated before the bot itself is stable (if you leave the questing module out of it). However that's what everyone wants. There is a post a bit back where Hawker refers to this release.

As mentioned a few times before. A F.A.Q. made by the staff, maintained by them where every user can fall back on, find the answers it's looking for etc.
It's gonna be one of the suggestions that will be collected in the end.
As bossland posted already, there's gonna be a wiki project in-line on the site, so I guess we will have a great information source soon enough.

A auto-updater is a often heared request as far as my memory serves me corectly. Might be something for a suggestion.
There were also suggestions posted regarding the testing of a release before actually releasing it which will also be taken into the conclusion.

I don't think that the CC developers are short of money (or CD keys or whatever it is they ask for their work).
After all it's not their fulltime job (although some of them really spend alot of time in their work one might wonder).
Donations are made, even now, on voluntairy bases to those that ask for it, even I donated here and there as a token of appreciation.

Also as I said being a (super)moderator is a voluntary job, at least I still assume it is. It's a honorary job, done by those who generally care for a community.
Often such jobs brings privileges with it (which is part of the reward for doing it), but also alot of responsibilities.
It's not for the powermongers, because eventually they put themselves out of the game if they misbehave or step out of line.

Thanks again for your continued suggestions.

Tonight I will try to make a compilation of the discussion and made suggestions and present it in a new post.
As I have to go to work for a longer period again, I would like to bring closure before I take my leave.
Then at least I can finish what I started in a neat fashion.

Regards, LiquidAtoR.

 

Wired, I'm not replying cocky or something. But IP bans are useless. It is so easy to mask your IP.

 

Ok, well a someone and I where talking in PM chat. I'm not going to say who it is.. but they are one of the well known members not sure if hes a mod. anyway, He told me the HB staff where primary working on translating HB and GB to Chinese to sell to them.
I'm not sure if he is correct, but i know he knows the scoop around here..

 

Not sure if this is true or not. But why on earth put down work on that? Why cant the chinese just go and learn english as everyone else...

 

Wait while I get the keys to the Outrage bus, ALL ABOARD

 

Adam got trolled..

 

Damn..... I think you guys are doing a stellar job. I have double gold capped my accounts and have 11 lvl 80's now. And guess what? After losing accounts with glider ban waves I think alot of people are missing something pretty important. Unless you are unlucky or Extremely abusive this bot is as safe as you can get while cheating at wow.

The amount of money required for a lifetime subscription is a piss in the bucket. I for one am happy with how everything is going. I would prefer attention spent on development rather than hand-holding the community.

Maybe you should end the lifetime freebies and make everyone pay monthly dues just like Blizz's model. I am sure this would add the needed capital for customer service improvements.

 

It's also very easy to block all those IP's that are being used to mask your IP in the first place.
There's whole forums and databases dedicated to collecting and providing the information to feed into firewalls, IP filters and other programs (also trough linux and PhP this can be achieved fairly simple).

Rumours as long as it's not confirmed which is unlikely.
It's quite easy to know if he's a mod or not. There's only 5 of them on this board (and 2 admins) so pickings are slim.

Well, maybe because they are chinese?

Not on such a junkheap, not in my entire life.

Cawpet got quoted...

In order go gather quickly a certain amount of money, using the 1 fee lifetime was a smart step to do.
If that was not available I don't think there would be that many people using it (only the pro farmers maybe and those that have too much money).
The way things went they got a bigger audience (at least that's my idea behind the route GB/HB took).

I would like to ask all of you to please stay on-topic here, and refrain from trolling and sorts, or I have to request this topic to be closed for preservation. I'm not gonna have a healthy discussion been put to ruin in the end.

Thanks, LiquidAtoR.

 

I dont pay attention who the mods are, i dont do anything wrong to CARE who the mods are here.

 

You don't pay much attention at all, as I asked just before your reply to stay on-topic as I did at the start and somewhere halfway too.

If your "source" is not on this list, I'm afraid you not only have been trolled here, but also have been punk'd by the one who told you so.

Now for the last time I ask everyone to stay on-topic.
Thanks, LiquidAtoR.

 

lol ok man.