[PAID] [Warlock] Demonic - An Advanced Honorbuddy Warlock Routine [PvE/PvP]

There isn't for Demonbolt. Checks in for Soulfire, but it was complex to get Demonbolt to work how it does now with the 2 and 4 stacks.

Target them manually. If the bot changes target back again then I need a log file. Could be detecting the unit as incorrectly out of line of sight.

It casts CW when it can hit 3 or more units. Less than that and it uses HoG. AoE needs to be enabled, and it won't cast during the first 15 seconds of combat (I'm changing this bit to be and target is a boss) because it breaks the opener.

 

I think its a line of sight problem. It won´t to target it and it doesn´t cast anything. I can upload a log file at evening.

For CW. I have read on icy veins thaht cw is better at 2+ target instead of 3+

Do you have news for cata/ds change ? Can we expect a change that the cr uses cata when ds is rdy with the ds glyph ?

 

Yeah if you've got a log that'll definitely help.

CW is used on 3 targets at any TTD, or 2 targets if 1 of them is low TTD. SimulationCraft says 2 units also, but we found 3 is better. Remember HoG generates fury, CW doesn't.

Cata/DS is on my to-do list. Not a quick change

 

Great CC, really enjoying my lock. Not sure though if I have something configured wrong or not. It doesn't seem to want to cast Health Funnel which is causing my demon to die... ALOT and thus myself to die ALOT. I'm lvl 99 in Nagrand using Demon spec and the Wrathguard.

 

Hey Millz, can i get this bot for arena & pve and have it help me gain a 2.2 rating in any bracket? also pve'ing will be alot easier wouldn't it?

 

Millz could you please check, why CW is not working anymore ?
i have downloaded fresh version

log will follow

 

Please do NOT change CW to trigger with 2+ targets ( unless low TTD of course ) . This would significantly reduce the amount of fury we get and lower our overall DPS due to reduced number of demon bolts. If you do this, I strongly strongly request that you put in a setting that will allow us to keep it at its current 3+ for CW and 1-2 for HOG. Doing this would also dramatically reduce the effectiveness of the 4 piece bonus since used properly it can get you an entire extra Demon bolt cycle.

 

Here are theory crafters at work:

6.0.3 Demonology Guide - Page 26 - Warlock - Icy Veins Forums

They suggesting to use cw at 2+ targets. Maybe Millz can change it a little bit or put a trigger as by havoc where we can decide how HoG should be triggered. As example my collegue played several heavy aoe fights with saving HoG to nuke only CWs on the adds and also played ds with cata when adds arrive. This resulted that he out dps´ed me really hard on heavy aoe fights. I know "this is the positive aspect of playing self" but we are here to help improving this cr so it will be a perfect rotation. This includes the DS/Cata improvement which millz will hopefully implement as fast as possible (maybe until ID reset). Maybe you can also add a trigger option for the wrathguard to use the ability at x enemies for heavy aoe fights ?

Here is the mentioned Kromog log:

 

Using the CR with cata is a different story then going with 2+ sustained cleave fights. or short burst cleave fights. For instance, lets take a look at Twins. On twins, HOG is better. this is a 2 target fight and having the additional fury from HOG lets you get off more demon bolts. You should not be using CW on this fight even though it has 2 targets, you should be using HOG.

If you are rolling with Cataclysm then the entire process changes. You are less concerned about building up demon fury and more concerned with extremely high burst AOE. If this is your case then yes you should almost always go for chaos wave over HOG.

The middle fight is something like Beastlord. On beastlord you have phases of burst aoe and sustained aoe with the weapons and the wolves. It really depends on what your job is for the boss. With Demonology being so insanely high single target damage, very far beyond anyone else really, it is entirely possible and probable that a demo lock will be put to pure tunnel dmg on the boss ( while maintaining doom on weapons of course ! ) and in this case you will definitely want to roll with demon bolt instead of with cataclysm. To be honest, if your group is at all competent you should NOT be using cataclysm on this fight at least for normal and heroic, maybe mythic but don't know about that yet. So for this fight, with demon bolt and the sustained AOE cleaving that you can do you should really be using HOG above chaos wave for most of this fight. The extra ticks from HOG being on all the beasts + weapons potentially depending on position far outweights the additional damage you would get of chaos wave vs HOG raw dmg. We can debate this all you want and I can do math out that will compete with those theorycrafters, but I really don't see a point. It all really depends on what YOUR role for the fight is, and that changes with every single fight and with every different group. Most of the time I am going to chose single target dmg over aoe. This choice is because my group has 3 boomkins and we don't really need my AOE dmg, but the group really needs my single target, and right now at this point in time, demonology is the 2nd highest single target spec, the top single target spec when a fight includes movement. No one can compete with us single target on a movement fight.

I think it would be best to add in some additional logic to HOG / CW much like you suggested we do, basically a copy of havoc. The option to prefer HOG over Chaos wave or set the amount of targets that each kicks in. If this is at all possible it would be pretty awesome addition to the CR and would handle both your concerns, and my concerns, and allow the user to chose what best suits their role on each fight. For basic users they can just use the default settings and don't have to worry about it.

This is a lot of text but with the importance of HOG / CW in the fact that our entire 4 piece bonus revolves around it, it is a pretty important topic at the moment All in all, really nice to see some debate going on here Millz, any input ?

 

There were no nerfs.

 

The math behind the statement "Should always use Chaos Wave on 2+ targets. " just amazes me. I mean really how much time it took to get all that numbers to support that statement?

 

Cata spec has its issues, should use soulfire more to dump fury in meta, we should be able to decide if we want cata in meta form or normal since on many bosses adds die so quick especially on heroic for now and on high skilled raid teams that cata in meta to apply doom is useless because on 90% of cases we don't even get 1 tick. no ticks = no benefit. As for when we could have it in normal form we would get tons of fury. Next is HoG, CW usage wich is hard to switch/cr to decide how to act on per fight or per phase basis unless we can "program" cr for each boss different. That would require a lot of work and many more settings/options that could potentially slow down the entire CR and break it.
I honestly don't know if Millz would have time to do such a thing since it's huge work but I will investigate what we would need for that so we can make "Boss profiles" where we could then setup different behavior/priorities. I have done such a thing before in PQR but there it was easier to do such a thing. I'll do my best to find a good solution.

 

How do I disable hellfire, it's using it when at range.

 

how is demonic in terms in afk farming with a question profile? singular one is awful. its so slow

 

Millz,

In SoTA BG I can not manually target demo's and get it to stay on that unless I have dot hunter pets enabled with targeting enabled. If I disable dot hunter pets, as soon as I target a demo it moves to a player and will not attack the demo.

This is with destro spec.

Thanks.

 

Really good nilrem2004. It sounds good to hear that. I don´t know how much work this will take but in the mean time maybe millz can put some options in the cr such as felguard/wrathguard whirlwind ability to be cast on x enemies, cw nukes to be saved maybe for aoe fights, HoG or CW usage on x enemies and cata/ds rotation tweak.

 

Not sure if this has been mentioned before. but as Destruction the bot attempts to cast havoc on the adds in the arena Kargath fight. This is a problem as they are out of LOS so the bot just spams and glitches resulting in no DPS.
This does not occur for the full fight just after then second chain hurl.


edit: let me attach after editing
***For some reason there is no option to attach a log.. so... gulp... ill just paste it here***




View attachment Havoc on kargath.txt

 

You need to disable aoe for this fight. If not you will be stucked at the end of the fight with not casting

 

Thanks powershot for the quick reply.

 

Your welcome mate but I would also disable targeting. Better save than sorry ^^